Cholesterol and grain fed beef

[ubershann]

i think it's been legislated or fda'd or something that it must say there are hormones or broth or antibiotics....that's how we know if chickens are enhanced....they'll say 4% or 10% fluid and they list the amount of sodium...

Most chicken, unless you get the really spendy free-range organic chicken, is highly altered. When you see the size of "real" chickens as opposed to the size of altered chickens it's amazing. I don't drink a lot of milk but I do drink lattes and I feel sick at the thought of using anything other than fully organic milk too. It's just disgusting what they put in animals, and I certainly don't want any of that stuff in me. Yuck! I do just fine fattening myself up lol!

[magicre]

There are different types of cholesterol. Venison is healthier for the heart.

agreed and it's not the cholesterol in meat that hurts people...
or dogs...

it's trans fat and uber quantities saturated fat....

so, it's fine to eat a steak...but does it have to be a 20 oz porterhouse in one sitting?

also, in my humble opinion....it's starches that raise the amound of circulating cholesterol in blood, not beef...

i was just posing the question about grain finished beef.....and what that butcher said.

but it occurs to me that what he said about grain fed doesn't make any sense....since most food sources are grain fed or finished.

[3RingCircus]

i can only speak for humans, but that is the newest thinking.....which seems to have spilled over to animals, too...

that we are not meant to consume grain....nor are dogs....so i can only presume that horses aren't supposed to either....

carbs are what raise cholesterol (include starchy carbs like corn and yams, potatoes, especially, and sugary carbs, like carrots)

the american diabetic association is fighting this notion, but the science is starting to prove it out...

I'd fight that notion too along with the ADA. I was a lacto-ovo-vegetarian for about 10 years and had the best cholesterol level. I still have one and I'm not a lacto-ovo-vegetarian any more. I don't eat that much red meat, probably once every two weeks. I eat plenty of whole grains and starchy carbs are my mainstay in the winter time. Although, I've mostly stayed away from corn and potatoes. That stems from a lesson a farmer once taught me. He said look at the pigs and what I feed them to fatten them - corn. It basically turns into sugar in the body and fast. He said potatoes are the same way. They raised corn, acres of it, and never ate it. I never saw them eat a potato as well.

[chowder]

My biggest problem with chicken (and this goes for myself as well) is that they are given more hormones and chemicals than the other animals. When I eat chicken I get it from my "fancy" grocery store where I know it's not given that crap. If I won't put that stuff in me I don't really want it going in my dogs either

Chickens, turkeys, and pigs are not allowed to be given hormones in the US.

From the FDA:

"NO HORMONES (pork or poultry):
Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry. Therefore, the claim "no hormones added" cannot be used on the labels of pork or poultry unless it is followed by a statement that says "Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones."

Meat and Poultry Labeling Terms

They are allowed to be given antibiotics but legislation has been proposed to limit the use of antibiotics to Medical Treatment:

(The Preservation of Antibiotics for Medical Treatment Act, a proposed law that would restrict veterinary use of antibiotics that are important to human health, including cephalosporins.
Supporters of the proposed legislation include the American Medical Association, the American Public Health Association, and the Infectious Diseases Society of America. The AVMA does not support the legislation.)

[magicre]

I'd fight that notion too along with the ADA. I was a lacto-ovo-vegetarian for about 10 years and had the best cholesterol level. I still have one and I'm not a lacto-ovo-vegetarian any more. I don't eat that much red meat, probably once every two weeks. I eat plenty of whole grains and starchy carbs are my mainstay in the winter time. Although, I've mostly stayed away from corn and potatoes. That stems from a lesson a farmer once taught me. He said look at the pigs and what I feed them to fatten them - corn. It basically turns into sugar in the body and fast. He said potatoes are the same way. They raised corn, acres of it, and never ate it. I never saw them eat a potato as well.

there is also the possibility that you have super genetics, too.....not everyone does.

there are so many theories going around.....i think we have to believe what makes sense to us.....and then follow through with it....

for me, i have evolved into a non starch eater....my cholesterol has always been fine and i am a meat eater...my cholesterol came down, however, to the new standards, which i believe were put into place so pharmaceuticals could sell more cholesterol drugs, but that's a conspiracy for another day...

when i stopped eating potatoes, yams, corn, peas, etc....yet continued to eat red meat...my cholesterol came down....not that it was out of sight in the first place, but my total and my hdl and ldl were in normal ranges.

it's a matter of what makes sense to the individual...my research has led me away from grains and starches and toward, i guess, the caveman way of eating....which includes meat and veggies, a little bit of fruit....
and i'll leave the yams and potatoes and whole grains to those who believe they are a good thing....:)

[ubershann]

it's trans fat and uber quantities saturated fat....

so, it's fine to eat a steak...but does it have to be a 20 oz porterhouse in one sitting?

Yes, saturated fat is bad! That's the stuff that clogs arteries. It's because of the molecular makeup. Because it is in a string, rather than kinked like unsaturated fat, it can pile up, causing blockages. Bad, bad, bad!

And I agree, there is no reason to be eating a 20 oz porterhouse in one sitting! The portions we are used to in this country are outrageous. When I lived overseas at first I was shocked at how small portions were, then I realized that's what healthy portions are. Because of the capitalism here restaurants try to outdo each other, serving bigger amounts. Then we get used to those amounts and think they are normal and fix those same portions at home. Yuck, yuck, yuck!

[magicre]

Yes, saturated fat is bad! That's the stuff that clogs arteries. It's because of the molecular makeup. Because it is in a string, rather than kinked like unsaturated fat, it can pile up, causing blockages. Bad, bad, bad!

And I agree, there is no reason to be eating a 20 oz porterhouse in one sitting! The portions we are used to in this country are outrageous. When I lived overseas at first I was shocked at how small portions were, then I realized that's what healthy portions are. Because of the capitalism here restaurants try to outdo each other, serving bigger amounts. Then we get used to those amounts and think they are normal and fix those same portions at home. Yuck, yuck, yuck!

i think what i'm trying to say is that saturated fat is getting a bad rap BECAUSE of the quantities eaten...

people in europe, at least in the countries i've been to, eat meat regularly, but their portion sizes are way smaller than what we get here...plus, until recently, they weren't gorging on micky d crap...

there is saturated fat in many things we eat.....and in moderation, should not be the culprit raising cholesterol....

take that 20 oz porterhouse and divvy it up over a few weeks LOL

i believe that red meat is essential...but that's where my research has taken me.....i also believe that moderation is key and that includes ice cream :)