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    I hoped this day would never come, but I'm not sure if the PMR diet is feasible for my guys anymore. In light of the discussions lately on a properly balanced diet, I have had to put some serious thought into whether I am able to provide my guys with a balanced diet. And sadly the answer is probably....no.

    I'm sure you guys are feeling the effects of rising meat prices in the U.S. Transfer that across the water and it's 5 times worse. Over the last few weeks I have seen the prices skyrocket, and every time I step foot in the grocery store now I get more and more depressed. I was getting end cut pork chops for $2.49 lb, now they are $3.99. Same for pork ribs and the cheapest roasts. Forget about beef.......

    I just know that chicken,ground turkey, sardines and eggs do not make up a balanced diet.

    Add that to the fact that I have had resistance from the start from my hubby So now I really can't justify spending between $4-$5 a day on food depending on what I buy. I would need almost 3lbs of meat a day since the addition of Layla.

    So I am trying to weigh my options, because no matter what, they will get at the least a 50/50 diet.

    I am going to order the beef HK to see if Kai can tolerate it, and to be able to offer beef at all to the others.

    ETA: I should have put this in the Canned/Dry Food Section
    There is a kibble that is available in our grocery store that seems pretty good, so I wanted to get your opinion on it. I already have Layla 50/50 on this food (hubby insisted)

    Holistic Health Extension Grain Free
    Ingredients

    Organic Chicken, Chicken Meal, Deboned Turkey, Turkey Meal, Potatoes, Chickpeas, Chicken Fat (Naturally Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Fresh Whole Sweet Potatoes, Alfalfa Sprouts, Pumpkin, Pea Fiber, Fresh Whole Carrots, Dulse, Sea Salt, Whole Blueberries, Whole Cranberries, Potassium Chloride, Spinach, Tomato, Beets, Parsley, Chicory Root Extract, Sage, Basil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Green Tea Extract, DHA, Ginger, Primrose Oil, Glucosamine, Chondroitin, Colostrum, Blue Green Algae, Dl Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Coral Calcium, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Niacin Supplement, Choline chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Vitamin C, Biotin, Inositol, Omega 3 / Omega 6 Oils, Polysaccharide Complexes of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Calcium lodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Pectin, Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Casei, Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, B. Subtillus, Bacillus Lichenformis, Bacillus Coagulins, Aspergillus Oryzae and Aspergillus Niger

    How important are ingredients? Check out our Ingredient Index.
    Nutritional Information

    405 KCal/cup
    3565 KCal/kg
    Guaranteed Analysis

    Crude Protein, Not Less Than
    27%
    Crude Fat, Not Less Than
    18%
    Vitamin E, Not Less Than
    150IU
    Phosphorus, Not Less Than
    1.0%
    Omega 3 Fatty Acids, Not Less Than
    0.5%
    Glucosamine HCL, Not Less Than
    400mg/kg

    Crude Fiber, Not More Than
    5%
    Moisture, Not More Than
    10%
    Calcium, Not Less Than
    1.20%
    Omega 6 Fatty Acids, Not Less Than
    2.5%
    Chondroitin Sulfate, Not Less Than
    200mg/kg

    But I'm not sure if this or the HK is the better choice. For me I would rather stick to the HK than feed kibble.
    I'm going to compromise with the hubby for now, but my goal will be to get them back to PMR as soon as possible

    Thanks for your ideas/opinions
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    i read your post twice, thinking i could come up with some glib answer for you.

    but the truth is, i've only visited the bahamas. i've not lived there nor have i tried to feed my dogs raw.

    i did want to wish you well...sometimes things don't go as we plan or desire.....

    just don't beat yourself up....

    finances are a fact of life.....and we all do what we can. i know you love your dogs.....

    i'm sure someone better versed in kibble ingredients will come along to help you pick out an appropriate kibble...

    and in your heart, you're one of us...so it's fine that you posted here.

    most of us, at one time or another, fed kibble....so i'm sure there are plenty of knowledgeable raw feeders who can steer you in the direction you need to be.


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    You shouldn't feel bad. You've posted prices before and they are so sky high I wonder how people manage unless they are rich or own a five pound dog.

    Maybe you could feed them bones for their teeth, along with the dry food.
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    I can understand things being much pricier on the islands. We've spent a lot of time in the Bahamas and know how expensive things are. I remember seeing a red bell pepper for $5 once.

    The kibble you've listed looks pretty darn good. Lots of dogs do well on mixed raw and kibble diets. Don't feel bad about that because you know for a fact that you'd feed raw if money wasn't an issue.

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    Dont feel bad, you are doing the best you can, the kibble looks decent and you can always supplement with some meat or canned fish for variety.

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    The kibble looks good and I would maybe try to get a case of turkey neck or ribs or something to at least help keep their teeth clean. I can't imagine paying those prices and I would be having to feed kibble also and just give raw for dental health or as an extra. I am sorry you are in this position. It is very difficult. It is a beautiful place to live but unfortunately very expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicre View Post
    i read your post twice, thinking i could come up with some glib answer for you.
    What you mean you can't swoop in on a yacht with a large cooler with enough meat to last a year?????? Oh no...wait..... that would be Natalie and Jon


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    Dont feel bad, you are doing the best you can, the kibble looks decent and you can always supplement with some meat or canned fish for variety.

    I'm glad I chose a decent kibble...I was actually shocked they had such a thing in stock on a regular basis.The owner's son feeds this to his dogs, so that explains them having a decent kibble on the shelf. I will definitely keep up with giving them RMB's, the beef ribs are the best value at under $3 lb. Along with one raw meal a day

    In the meantime I am working on a future action plan for getting my guys the food they deserve. And I'm not going to disappear.....I enjoy this forum way too much and you guys have been so supportive
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    i looked for it, but my magic wand is in the shop. :)


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    Oh I can only imagine how hard it would be to feed raw in the Caribbean. I'm sure you don't have access to game meat, and that is the majority of what I feed (venison), plus I know people who butcher...


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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandPaws4Raw View Post
    And I'm not going to disappear.....
    You had better not disappear missy, I, for one, will be really, really annoyed if you do.
    To be honest, I often wondered how you could afford to feed raw, but decided you must be independently wealthy. Or, you were a rich mans plaything. :D
    But, I'd give up almost anything to live where you do, it's as close to paradise as you can get.
    Whenever we were meant to leave Fl and go over, friends there were always asking us to bring vast quantities of mainly paper towels and beer, it's a price sticker shock for us spoilt so and so's back here, thats for sure.
    So what, you have to go back to kibble, your pup's are still being fed better than 95% of the dogs in the world, I wouldn't stress about it at all. Now, if you had decided to go with Pedigree, there would have been a posse sent out to hunt you down, but you are safe for now!
    Just make sure you still stick around, with periodic photo's, ok?
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