I'm not sure if this will generate many responses but I thought I'd give it a try.
I have two siblings who I've had since birth, own the mother also, and they have a neurological disorder that is like Episodic Ataxia in humans. Not sure how it happened but we suspect the vaccines due to the timing of the episodes and the development of the disorder.
Does anyone know someone with ataxia? Anyone know anything that helps when these episodes come on? What I can do to reduce them? I know so far chemicals in dog foods, flea medicines, heart worm medicines and other pesticides trigger episodes. So does extreme playing. I'm not sure there are even any holistic solutions due to it being a brain development issue but I'm hoping for something as they both had pretty bad episodes this weekend.
thanks in advance.
Sorry, Iv never heard of that. Im guessing household cleaners and chemicals can have some sort of effect on it too though. Im sure someone will chime in with more knowlegde.
What exactly do they do - what are their symptoms and behaviors? No other traumatic injuries or surgeries?
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My boy, developed them three weeks after his rabies shot and same story as before. My girl only has them at night but my boy has them during the day. We were able to take him to the vet DURING one. They pumped his stomach. I told them there's no need, as I had been with him every second, and I know he didn't get into anything. But the symptoms are so similar he was probably just not convinced. He asked me if I had prescription drugs or pot around they could be getting into and I told him after dealing with this for three months, I'd think I'd learned to put my stash up by now! Jesus. That's the extent of their trauma. Vaccinated in-utero with DHPP and Rabies and then vaccinated at 6, 12,16 weeks approximately. I spoke with many, many vets about this. The best, and correct I believe, response was from Dr. Schultz. He told me that what probably happened was when Hadley got vaccinated, she wasn't immune to the parvo and therefor she got a minor infection from it -- how the vaccine works. Well, the cerebellum was developing (it does so the last 3 weeks and first 2 weeks after birth) and the inflammation probably caused it to develop abnormally. I think it has something to do with their Purjunke Cells misfiring as these episodes are random and not consistent in nature.
When they are having an episode, we notice right away their eyes start looking different. They get this terrified look in their eyes. Then we notice their head is bobbling around -- back and forth, up and down. Then we see the hind end swaying -- back and forth. Their front feet are spaced far apart. They usually can't walk, and if they do, it's on their tippy toes because they have no concept of the ground below them. The swaying makes them nauseous and sometimes they vomit. The severity of these symptoms vary with each episode. My girl, if it's bad, will urinate on herself but my boy will cry and cry b/c he can't stand steady enough to pee but is one of those would never pee on anything puppies. That's heart breaking. They've never had one at the same time and like I said Lily only at evening/night, Theo daytime/early morning. I'll attach some videos so you can get an idea. Lily had one Friday and I had just used essential oils on them (diluted of course) but she's had them several times and is fine. This was a bad one for Lily. Theo had one Saturday and his wasn't too, too severe but he was out of it for about 15 hours. He also did something different this time -- he would walk sideways. I'll show you. You might mute the videos because we say "awww" a lot and it can be annoying. IT just comes out though :(
Here's how it looks when it kicks in (sorry about the quality): 4050181357143_ORIG.mp4 video by maddy_ciccone18 - Photobucket It's kind of like when you're sleeping, and you feel like you're falling so you jerk yourself awake.
Here's the sideways walking I was telling you about.. it happens at the end of the video: video3gpp_2_2.mp4 video by maddy_ciccone18 - Photobucket You'll notice he tries to run outside with the other dogs but they can never take more than 2-3 steps when they're in these states.
This one is really sad. MVI_3801.mp4 video by maddy_ciccone18 - Photobucket
Here's an example of a mild one... sorry, the house was dirty that day! haha MVI_3532.mp4 video by maddy_ciccone18 - Photobucket
Here's an example of a really bad one: VID_20110509_134857.mp4 video by maddy_ciccone18 - Photobucket
Thanks for listening. Sorry it's so much. It feels good to get it all out there and talk to people so thanks!!!
I'm a great believer in the benefits of essential oils when used appropriately and I see that you have tried that with your dogs.
One note of caution: If too high of a concentration (dermally) of essential oils is used, it can often result in ataxia or muscle weakness. Unfortunately, that is exactly what you're trying to avoid. I would recheck the strength of your dilutions just to make sure that you didn't unknowingly actually make an attack worse.
I haven't followed exactly what all you give your dogs, but supplying good doses of essential fatty acids and B12 vitamin certainly couldn't hurt.
I'm so sorry that your dogs are suffering with such problems.
Not being a raw feeder, it's probably better for someone else to judge just how much fatty acids and B12 your dogs may be getting in their current diet.
l didn't mean to cause you further worry in regards to the essential oils, I just wasn't sure if you were aware of the possible side effects of over concentration. It sounds like you have really researched a lot of different avenues and have tried reasonable things. Sometimes in medicine even doing all that is possible doesn't bring the results we hope for. Your dogs are fortunate that you care so much for them.
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