Low Fat and High Fat Diets -- Good Read, Although a Long One

[magicre]

What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie? - NYTimes.com

something i've suspected years ago and now i know is true, from my own anecdotal research.....

but, if these studies finally get some attention, it's going to blow the low fat diet out of the universe. :)



Unhappy Meals - Michael Pollan - New York Times

here's another article...which finally addresses the notion that a food is not the sum of its parts, but wholy nutritious or not....

[Boxerdogz]

I didn't read the whole article, but honestly, carbs don't make people fat. Fat doesn't make people fat. Excessive calories in any form are what make people fat.

[magicre]

i wish you would read the whole article...

i agree that excessive calories make people fat..but that wasn't the point of the article, the first one, at least.

[frogdog]

I'm in the process of reading but will have to be in intervals...busy Monday...will respond sometime soon.

[monkeys23]

Those are fantastic articles!

I bought a cool paleo cookbook, it just came in the mail yesterday. I would be really happy if I were more easily satiated... We'll see if it helps.

[splitnightsky]

I will eventually read all of these, but with school I'm going to have to be slow about it.
first off though, that first article is pretty old. the food pyramid no longer exists, and I'm curious as to the definition of some of the things mentioned in that article.
what constitutes a "low-fat" diet? the RDI for fat is about 20-30%, depending on what type of lifestyle you lead.
that is not a "low-fat" diet, that is an average fat diet. if you're going lower than that you are going to develop health problems regardless of what you fill it with.
if you're going higher than that, you're forcing your body to utilize ketone bodies instead of the glucose you would be getting from CHO.

I really do like Michael Pollan. he's a brilliant thinker who connects things logically (my kinda guy).
although I believed this before, he supported my belief that supplements are completely unnecessary unless you have an absorption problem.
that article is pretty much straight out of In Defense of Food, if you were interested in reading more of his work :)

[magicre]

I will eventually read all of these, but with school I'm going to have to be slow about it.
first off though, that first article is pretty old. the food pyramid no longer exists, and I'm curious as to the definition of some of the things mentioned in that article.
what constitutes a "low-fat" diet? the RDI for fat is about 20-30%, depending on what type of lifestyle you lead.
that is not a "low-fat" diet, that is an average fat diet. if you're going lower than that you are going to develop health problems regardless of what you fill it with.
if you're going higher than that, you're forcing your body to utilize ketone bodies instead of the glucose you would be getting from CHO.

I really do like Michael Pollan. he's a brilliant thinker who connects things logically (my kinda guy).
although I believed this before, he supported my belief that supplements are completely unnecessary unless you have an absorption problem.
that article is pretty much straight out of In Defense of Food, if you were interested in reading more of his work :)

i think the point of the first article is that low fat foods have been created....not that eating leaner meats, fish, poultry, etc....are not the way to go.

if a body is going to ingest fat, then ingest fat, not the low fat variety of fat. at least, this is what i've gotten from this and other books and articles.

low fat milk or two per cent is a modified food and does not do a body good. if one absolutely needs to drink cow or sheep or goat milk, then drink whole milk. eat real butter.

that doesn't mean to say that we should bathe in it.

there is a theory and it's a good working theory that americans are getting fatter, even after 25 years of low fat....and the food pyramid still exists, just fashioned differently...

even still, 8 - 10 servings daily of whole grains does a fat body make....

i found the article interesting simply because nothing is working for us. we, as a people continue to get fatter.

diet is 90% of weight loss. cardio is to help the heart stay healthy and weight lifting keeps our muscles healthy and more able to burn calories.

what we eat however is just so screwed up by all the disagreement, the confusion...i thought this article stated things well.

[Caty M]

I think processed carbs and sugar are the worst culprits in obesity... but I agree, no one needs that much grain in their diet. Better to get many more than 5 servings of fruit/veg a day, too.

[magicre]

I think processed carbs and sugar are the worst culprits in obesity... but I agree, no one needs that much grain in their diet. Better to get many more than 5 servings of fruit/veg a day, too.

agreed and i think that's the point.

eat real foods. eat in moderation. put the sugar and stevia in the trash.....

and, OT, i was going to buy my dogs liquid health glucosamine and as i was reading the ingredients, not only did it have sodium benzoate in it as a preservative which i was going to reluctantly ignore....it had STEVIA....which translates to zero calorie SUGAR.

for dogs?

at any rate, we are inundated with sugar and enriched foods, and modified foods....and processed foods that come in a box...

i was taught to shop the perimeter.....eat lots of veggies and fruits in season, meat, poultry, fish as 1/3 of my plate, veggies account for 2/3 of my plate and i have no love for starches.....

the beauty of nature is this. the vitamins and minerals found in one food can easily be found in another. redundancy rules in nature.

[monkeys23]

In Defense of Food is on my to-read list! Fortunately we have it here at work, I love working in an academic library. :D

Agreed, I know for me the sugar is my biggest problem. I don't eat a lot of processed food, but omg sugar.... I don't think I could give up vanilla ice cream w/chocolate sauce. I hate how because I burn so many calories (I'm super active) that when I eat meals with grains/bread/etc. I never feel full. It sucks! And I know I don't eat near enough nutrient laden healthy carbs (veggies)... so thats why I got this new cookbook. I have access to all kinds of frozen homegrown meat and veggies, I should be utilizing them to feel better. I eat very high quality bread, pasta, etc. and even with that it seems to not be doing the trick. I'm not fat or anything, I just want to feel healthier. I know I need to eat more (don't hear many people saying that LOL) for proper calories in/out, but it needs to be of better substance than simple carbs. I've also noticed (and I apologize if this is gross) that when I eat museli for breakfast, which is nice and filling and sticks with me when combined with plain yoghurt... it looks basically the same ont he way out. How are whole grains good for us if we aren't digesting them properly? This occurred to me a couple years ago, but I didn't think much of it. Reading some more current nutrition stuff is definitely making me go Aha!

Magicre - I've been researching dog joint support because I think the girls need to be on some because of what they are and because we do sports casually (even with being raw fed whole sources) and wow the additives they put in are scary! This is one of the most non-offensive I've found: HylaSport Canine
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And I'm thinking about trying Scout on Vertex because it supports healthy muscle gain, sport/work performance, and is very good quality with joint support. I know her bony topline is genetic, but hell if it would help its worth a try! I know it helped when I took a high quality joint support coupled with vitamin C. I need to get back on that.