Salmon Oil and Vitamin E

[Jodysmom]

Couldn't you give the 1000IU Vitamin E dose every few days? This would be close to 400IU a day.

[mstngchic2012]

Couldn't you give the 1000IU Vitamin E dose every few days? This would be close to 400IU a day.

That's a good question. Any thoughts on this?

[wags]

Couldn't you give the 1000IU Vitamin E dose every few days? This would be close to 400IU a day.

I really dont see any problem with this~~but I am the type who would actually call my vets office and talk to the vet to see if it actually does matter. When I went to my vet tellng him about the vitamin E and fish oil I actually wrote down what he exactly said to me! Yep I'm that anal! And when he said 400IU a day that is what I did with the vitamin E. I just called the vets office today to get my one dogs shots records as to needing them for an event. So I would just call and ask is this ok to do! The receptionist may even be able to tell you ifs it ok or not and also you can leave your name and number I know my vet calls back!

[dobesgalore]

I had a friend on another forum tell me 6,000 mg for the salmon oil capsules and I feel like that is a lot. I also had someone else mention the Aller G-3 also. I might see how much those cost because I really hate having to shove 6 salmon oil capsusles and 1 vitamin E capsule down his throat.

I made meatballs out of raw turkey when I had to pill mine, and they gulped it down never even noticing the meds!

[Sir]

That's a good question. Any thoughts on this?

Yes

Couldn't you give the 1000IU Vitamin E dose every few days? This would be close to 400IU a day.

If your wanting to create a blood thinning effect similar to rat poison, then the goal will be achieved.
[Think of our blood as motor oil in our engine. The engine oil has it's own viscosity. If our 30 weight viscosity changes to 20 weight, the pump (heart) works less to maintain the same pressure.]
If the blood lab results showed the pup has a heavy weight viscosity, then thinning the blood with a larger than normal VE intake could help.

Folks, with nutrition, it is simple. It's about what we do 365 days of the year. Consistency of nutrition is the driving force to healing.

There is a difference between natural VE and synthetic VE. Natural VE is the bioavailable one we want to use.

If one soft gel a day is good, 3 soft gels every 3 days is better. <--- False premise

6-1000IU of salmon oil could provide a blood thinning effect too.

How many ounces of salmon does it take to create 1000IU of salmon oil?
Would we feed our dog this amount of salmon so it can consume the salmon oil naturally?

[mike487]

According to the Vital Choice website the amount of salmon oil given to humans should be based on the amount of omega-3's (this dosage is for human adults):

• The IOM recommends taking 260-400 mg of omega-3s per day (depending on gender).
• ISSFAL recommends taking 660 mg of omega-3s per day.

For diets high in omega-6's they suggest higher dosages of omega-3 to balance things out.
For human infants they recommend 300 mg of DHA per day.
I know this info is for humans not dogs but it may give you a reference point.

[Penny & Maggie's Mom]

I recently attended a seminar by a local vet specializing in sports medicine. She said the one supplement she would recommend across the board for all dogs is fish oil (body oil... not cod liver oil) and that her recommended dose is 300 mg of combined EPA/DHA per 10 lbs of body weight. For our crew, that is between 1800-2000 mg of EPA/DHA daily. I find that easiest to achieve with the same fish oil my internist has us on (Carlson's Finest Fish Oil). We've been on this protocol for over a year and their blood work is perfect.... including my springer who is an AIHA survivor.

[Khan]

I was going to start a new thread to ask this question; but since my question is about Salmon Oil, thought I would throw it out there in this one. So here goes:
Khan is allergic/sensitive to anything that has Flax Seed/Oil in it. I know that because I have eliminated that ingredient and his poops instantly become "normal" Anyway, I have started giving him a little Salmon Oil in his food, and I think his poop has become softer. I say "think" because a few days prior to starting this, I increased his food, so I am not sure if it's the increase in chicken, or the Salmon Oil. I know that both Flax and Salmon Oil are Omega 3's, I just wonder if he could be allergic to Salmon Oil as well?
Any thoughts??

[RawFedDogs]

I say "think" because a few days prior to starting this, I increased his food, so I am not sure if it's the increase in chicken, or the Salmon Oil. I know that both Flax and Salmon Oil are Omega 3's, I just wonder if he could be allergic to Salmon Oil as well?
Any thoughts??

Thats why it's important to make only one change at a time. I don't think an allergy to Flax would have any connection to an allergy to Salmon. I suggest backing up 2 steps before you increased chicken and added Salmon oil. When his stools become normal, make one change for a month then make the other. That is the only way to answer your question.

[Penny & Maggie's Mom]

I was going to start a new thread to ask this question; but since my question is about Salmon Oil, thought I would throw it out there in this one. So here goes:
Khan is allergic/sensitive to anything that has Flax Seed/Oil in it. I know that because I have eliminated that ingredient and his poops instantly become "normal" Anyway, I have started giving him a little Salmon Oil in his food, and I think his poop has become softer. I say "think" because a few days prior to starting this, I increased his food, so I am not sure if it's the increase in chicken, or the Salmon Oil. I know that both Flax and Salmon Oil are Omega 3's, I just wonder if he could be allergic to Salmon Oil as well?
Any thoughts??

Darn, I just had a long post that disappeared. I apologize in advance if it shows up and this is redundant.

Flax is a fairly common allergen for dogs. They also cannot convert the ALA of flax into the needed omega 3's well (if at all). I would doubt salmon oil would be the cause of loose stools, esp if you are starting a little at a time. Increasing food can be a cause.

Here is a good article about the fatty acid topic by Dr Shawn Messonier, a local vet who has written several books. Note the second paragraph of the Obtaining Fatty Acids section,

Fatty Acids for Pets
by Dr. Shawn Messonnier, DVM




Fats in the form of fatty acids have recently become a popular supplement among veterinarians, and not just those interested in holistic care. First suggested for use in treating allergies in pets, they are now advocated in cases of kidney disease, elevated cholesterol, and arthritis as well. Veterinarians are discovering that fatty acids can be valuable for a variety of conditions. So many doctors now use fatty acid supplements in treating atopic dermatitis in pets that, while I will discuss them in this chapter, they could almost be considered a conventional (although non-drug) therapy!

When I talk about using fatty acids, that doesn't mean adding some vegetable oil to the pet's diet to get a nice shiny coat. I'm referring to omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids (omega-9 fatty acids have no known use in treating pets). Omega-3 fatty acids, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), are derived from fish oils of coldwater fish such as salmon and trout, and flaxseed. Omega-6 fatty acids, linoleic acid (LA) and gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) are derived from the oil of seeds such as evening primrose, black currant, and borage.

Since processed foods have increased omega-6 fatty acids and decreased omega-3 fatty acids, if your dog eats processed food, adding omega-3 supplements is probably a good idea. Adding large amounts of omega-3 fatty acids to a dog's diet favors the production of non-inflammatory eicosanoids, decreasing inflammation and itchiness in the pet with atopic dermatitis. Eicosanoids produced from arachidonic acid are not the sole cause of the inflammation in pets with atopic dermatitis, however. For this reason, fatty acid therapy is rarely effective as the sole therapy, but is used with other therapies, often with other supplements, to achieve an additive effect.

Obtaining Fatty Acids

Fatty acids are supplied in liquid form, and in a capsule form. Most pets take either form well. For dogs that are difficult to "pill," the liquid form is quite popular. Owners of dogs 20 pounds and under find the liquid form more cost effective than the large bottle of fatty acid capsules that we prescribe.

For owners who do not like giving their pets medication, or for pets who don't take the fatty acid supplements easily, it might be wise to try some of the medically formulated dog foods that contain the fatty acids. These are available from veterinarians, who often prescribe such food as an anti-inflammatory diet for pets with allergies. The main concern among holistic owners is that most of these "premium" diets are not natural, holistic products. Most of them contain fillers, by-products, and chemical preservatives and additives. A far better option is to feed natural processed food, or better, a balanced homemade natural diet, and then supplement the diet with the recommended dosage of fatty acids. If you are using packaged processed food as a source of fatty acids for your dog, be sure to check product labels carefully for the source of the fatty acid. Many processed diets supplemented with fatty acids use flaxseeds or flaxseed oil as the fatty acid supplement. While flaxseeds or flaxseed oil is not harmful to pets and does supply some essential omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids, flaxseed oil is a source of alphalinoleic acid (ALA), an omega-3 fatty acid that is ultimately converted to EPA and DHA. Many animals (probably including dogs) and some people cannot convert ALA to these other more active non-inflammatory omega-3 fatty acids, due to a deficiency of desaturase enzymes needed for the conversion. In one human study, flaxseed oil was ineffective in reducing symptoms or raising levels of EPA and DHA. Therefore, I do not recommend flaxseed oil as a fatty acid supplement for pets with atopic dermatitis. Instead, look for fish oil, which provides EPA and DHA. Flaxseed oil is often added to diets because fish oil produces a "fishy" smell that may be offensive to owners.