Earthborn Primitive IS THE BEST FOOD FOR THE MONEY

[RCTRIPLEFRESH5]

Your information is a little off about the meats and meals. Meats are a superior protein. You seem to be more concerned with volume than quality of protein. And meats are true meats, meals are mostly bone and connective tissue with little meat in them. Just because Orijen has a couple of different potatoes in the doesn't mean they have more volume. There is no way of telling which has the most potatoes.

sure meats are ideal in a raw diet...but in a kibble meats are the true meats meals are the true emat because when you see it listed as an ingredient you know most of it is acctually in tehre. when met is listed barely an is in the kibble. since no kibble will ever have a good portion of fresh meats, i prefer meals. orijen gets most of its meats from meals also...so im concerned with quality as well bill

[RawFedDogs]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Meals have very little meat in them. Meal is the ground up carcas of the animal AFTER the human usuable meat has been removed. Meal is not the ground up carcas. Its the ground up carcus after meat has been removed. SO that means that a meal is mostly bone and connective tissue with what little meat the deboning machines couldn't remove.

[CorgiPaws]

Earthborn:
Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Whitefish Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Spinach, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine,

Orijen:
Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols)

ive bolded the bad ingredients of each food. to be fair tomato pomace(the filler in earthborn) is prob the best filler you can put in a food.
i did not bold egg product in earthborn, as eggs are good for dogs, and i think even an egg product is better than nothing, although ill give orijen the win for using fresh whole egg.
egg product in earthborn isnt a substantial portion anyways, same with tomato pomace. the only bad ingredient is potatoes

I've bolded the species-inappropriate ingredients, included in the first 15 slots of the ingredient list.
Orijen's use of whole eggs trumps Earthborn's egg product too.


I think there is an unnecessary obsession with protein content in kibbles. A natural diet consists of 18-28% protein content. With kibbles, you're getting a lot of that protein from plant-based ingredients anyway no matter how you look at it. And then you've got to wonder how much of it is nutritionally dead or not after processing.
Earthborn has three meat meals as the first ingredients, and that's it for the meat. So, 3 meat substances before anything else.
Orijen has two fresh meats, and three meals as the first ingredients. So 5 meat substances before anything else.
Earthborn's next 5 ingredients only includes one appropriate (chicken fat) ingredient.
Orijen's next five ingredients has two appropriate ingredients, one being another fresh meat source.
Earthborn at that point, includes ZERO additional species-appropriate foods.
Orijen continues with yet another three fresh meat sources, and chicken fat.

FRESH MEAT SOURCES:
Orijen: 6 **
Earthborn: 0

MEAT MEAL SOURCES:
Orijen: 3
Earthborn: 3

ADDITIONAL BENEFICIAL INGREDIENTS:
Orijen: 1 (eggs) **
Earthborn: 0 (I'm sorry but an overly processed product, added in to be even more processed does nothing.-and additional taurine would NOT be necessary if the meat content was there to supply it.)

NUMBER OF SPECIES INAPPROPRIATE INGREDIENTS IN FIRST 15:
Orijen: 5 **
Earthborn: 10


Earthborn is a good food, but it's not better than Orijen. I certainly wouldn't steer people away from this food. It IS a great food. But look at the ingredients and facts, and there's no way you can claim it to be better than Orijen.

[RCTRIPLEFRESH5]

Earthborn:
Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Whitefish Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Spinach, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine,

Orijen:
Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols)




I've bolded the species-inappropriate ingredients, included in the first 15 slots of the ingredient list.
Orijen's use of whole eggs trumps Earthborn's egg product too.


I think there is an unnecessary obsession with protein content in kibbles. A natural diet consists of 18-28% protein content. With kibbles, you're getting a lot of that protein from plant-based ingredients anyway no matter how you look at it. And then you've got to wonder how much of it is nutritionally dead or not after processing.
Earthborn has three meat meals as the first ingredients, and that's it for the meat. So, 3 meat substances before anything else.
Orijen has two fresh meats, and three meals as the first ingredients. So 5 meat substances before anything else.
Earthborn's next 5 ingredients only includes one appropriate (chicken fat) ingredient.
Orijen's next five ingredients has two appropriate ingredients, one being another fresh meat source.
Earthborn at that point, includes ZERO additional species-appropriate foods.
Orijen continues with yet another three fresh meat sources, and chicken fat.

FRESH MEAT SOURCES:
Orijen: 6 **
Earthborn: 0

MEAT MEAL SOURCES:
Orijen: 3
Earthborn: 3

ADDITIONAL BENEFICIAL INGREDIENTS:
Orijen: 1 (eggs) **
Earthborn: 0 (I'm sorry but an overly processed product, added in to be even more processed does nothing.-and additional taurine would NOT be necessary if the meat content was there to supply it.)

NUMBER OF SPECIES INAPPROPRIATE INGREDIENTS IN FIRST 15:
Orijen: 5 **
Earthborn: 10


Earthborn is a good food, but it's not better than Orijen. I certainly wouldn't steer people away from this food. It IS a great food. But look at the ingredients and facts, and there's no way you can claim it to be better than Orijen.

dried egg product is debatable as a species inappropriate food.
also the majority of the innapropriate foods in earthborn are after the fat source..whereas with orijen they are before.

i still believe earthborn has more meat overall..while orijen obviously has more fresh meat since earthborn has zero.
and i disagree with bill that meat meals have zero meat.

either way for 40 dollars per bag or 1.43 per pound i will gladly feed primitive natural.
i would rather feed orijen than the other earthborns though...
and after a rotation on primitive natural and saving some money in the process might even try regional red....although i can't get over the price tag

aanother thing id like to add is that earthborns species inappropriate ingredients do not unnecessarily alter the protein of the food.
potatoes have nearly 0 grams of protein as does tomato pomace, and the veggies you highlighted. dried egg product has protein, but it's species appropriate
so we can conclude nearly all of the protein in earthborn is appropriate regardless of the fillers.


orijen contains peas and pea fiber..both high in proteins
russet potatoes and sweet potatoes are also higher in proteins than regular potatoes.
so we can conclude that less of the protein in orijen comes from meat

[Ania's Mommy]

russet potatoes and sweet potatoes are also higher in proteins than regular potatoes.

Aw hell. I'm an Idaho girl through and through, so I feel an urgent need to correct this statement.

Russet potatoes ARE regular potatoes. There's no difference.

[Caty M]

Ok RC.. Got a LOT wrong with your comment. Lol.

..Dried egg product IS debatable as an inappropriate food. But it certainly doesn't beat fresh eggs as per Orijen.
..Orijen likely needs less fat added in as a pure ingredient.. since there is plenty of fat in fresh meats. There are no fresh meats in Earthborn.
..Why do you believe Earthborn has more meat? Orijen has more sources and many more sources in the top 10.
..Potatoes.. white potatoes have 2g protein per 100g of raw potato. Dehydrated it's around 10% protein. Sweet potatoes also have 2g. Russet is a bit more at 3g/100g. I like to know where you learned that other potatoes are higher in protein than white. Sweet are healthier than regular for sure, though. At least for people.
..Their inappropriate ingredients might not add protein, but they add unnecessary bulk, calories and valuable stomach space. Earthborn has more than Orijen. Tomato pomace also contains 20-25% protein. It definitely adds to the total.
..Earthborn also contains peas!

So we can not conclude that less of the protein comes from meat. Research your views before you post if you are posting as fact..

[Caty M]

Aw hell. I'm an Idaho girl through and through, so I feel an urgent need to correct this statement.

Russet potatoes ARE regular potatoes. There's no difference.

They (russet and white) are both regular potatoes but are slightly different varieties. They have different USDA commodity numbers. A214 for russet and A215 for white.

[RCTRIPLEFRESH5]

Aw hell. I'm an Idaho girl through and through, so I feel an urgent need to correct this statement.

Russet potatoes ARE regular potatoes. There's no difference.

from what i know that;s not true.

[PUNKem733]

To even think EB can compare in any way way to Orijen, is just WOW...

[Caty M]

I forgot to mention that pea fiber is not a significant source of protein. It's 6-12% protein. Much lower than Earthborn's tomato pomace.

I'm not saying that Earthborn isn't a good food. It is, for sure. It's not as good as Orijen and the price reflects that. Is it worth the extra price? I'd say yes... but I'd still rather see more people making up the difference in price by adding fresh meats as toppers rather than getting a slightly better kibble.