Earthborn Primitive IS THE BEST FOOD FOR THE MONEY

[CorgiPaws]

[SIZcE=3]I don't wish to get into the ongoing raw vs kibble debate, or whether or not dogs today are "overvaccinated" but you cannot make a blanket statement like that without providing some sort of actual scientific proof.

So please, let's not go down that road in this thread!!!!
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When saying most dogs do better on a NOT kibble diet... its true.
When will you people get it? There is no marketing money trail for PMR so you're NOT going to get your high and mighty scientific studies. When someone starts slamming billions a year on PMR, you will get your studies. Until then, all we've got is common sense (whole foods will ALWAYS be better.) And pure logic (a processed diet is unhealthy.) If you need more than that... I'm not sure what to tell you. And if the thread is dead to you and lacks substance... don't read it. No one is forcing you to. Clearly others aren't done with it.

Not really... my dog eats feces... it doesn't mean that it should be included in his diet.

Lol. Based on our most recent outings and experiences, based on the blueberry logic, my dogs would totally dig a kibble like this:
Deer poop, women's underwear- uncleaned, cow poop, rotting fish carcass, sand, shoe rubber, sticks, toy stuffing, doorknob, dryer lint, kiwi skin cuttings, bathroom trash contents, cheezits, fouton frames, nylon collars, couch, drywall, electrical wires, house siding, the little circles of paper that fall out of a hole puncher, laptop charges, sprinklers heads.

Those are all things I've seen dogs attempt to eat, either my dogs, dogs at work, or friends dogs. Evidence? You decide.

[ajl]

I definitely agree that that RAW is the best. Though, sometimes you just can't feed raw. Then there's this forum for ppl who want to decide which is the best option under given circumstances ;) We'd be kidding ourselves thinking that there's something comparable to raw diet, but you can still make a huge difference by feeding Purina, Eukanuba....... Primitive Natural.... Orijen or Evo. I love both Primitive Natural and Orijen, but as long as my dog goes he seems to be in love w/ Orijen and also has better stool. THough, I was really happy w/ Prmitive Natural,too, because it was one of the foods my dog would eat w/o leaving a bowl. Also there's no arguing about Orijen being far better, imo. The second thing is that the price is very different, too. But personally I prefer fresh meat as well. I've read a whole thread and there's a reason why company chose to put fresh meat into their kibble. Although it might seem like cheating to some, quantity always doesnt mean quality and w/ Orijen you get that quality. (as far as dry food goes)

Also just a little note, someone posted that Evo and Orijen doesn't have on their site statement about hormone free ingredients etc... that's not true, here you go
"Processed under the Government of Canada’s highest food safety standards, ORIJEN meats are hormone and antibiotic free, and we’re proud to name our local suppliers whose icons are known and trusted by in Canadian households. "

It's funny thread, lol. So much fighting and arguing.... but it was interesting read :)

[Caty M]

When saying most dogs do better on a NOT kibble diet... its true.
When will you people get it? There is no marketing money trail for PMR so you're NOT going to get your high and mighty scientific studies. When someone starts slamming billions a year on PMR, you will get your studies. Until then, all we've got is common sense (whole foods will ALWAYS be better.) And pure logic (a processed diet is unhealthy.) If you need more than that... I'm not sure what to tell you. And if the thread is dead to you and lacks substance... don't read it. No one is forcing you to. Clearly others aren't done with it.


Lol. Based on our most recent outings and experiences, based on the blueberry logic, my dogs would totally dig a kibble like this:
Deer poop, women's underwear- uncleaned, cow poop, rotting fish carcass, sand, shoe rubber, sticks, toy stuffing, doorknob, dryer lint, kiwi skin cuttings, bathroom trash contents, cheezits, fouton frames, nylon collars, couch, drywall, electrical wires, house siding, the little circles of paper that fall out of a hole puncher, laptop charges, sprinklers heads.

Those are all things I've seen dogs attempt to eat, either my dogs, dogs at work, or friends dogs. Evidence? You decide.

Wait... that sounds JUST LIKE the Ol'Roy ingredient list!!

[JayJayisme]

The only chicken meal that's worth a **** is chicken meal that comes from the boneless chicken ranch. Sadly, you have to go to The Far Side to get it.

My apologies to Gary Larson.
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edited by moderator for language.

[runwiththewind]

Caty M - "I think a lot of the diarrhea problems, not all, are with overfeeding such a rich food. Not every processed food agrees with every dog."

I totally agree with you but not in my case. My boys had also been on it for quite a while. It was definitely Orijen causing the problem in my dogs as well as others. Again, I'm not questioning their ingredients (although Champion did have mad cow disease in the past), only the company's way of doing business. We all make choices in the way we feed our dogs - I choose not to feed their brand. I really feel home cooking is the way to go if it's balanced. That also holds true for raw - being balanced.


"There needs to be more regulation on labelling.."

I totally agree but it doesn't seem anyone wants to get involved. You can see how many replies there were to this thread:
AAFCO Website

[ajl]

I definitely agree that it's not always the problem of giving too much of kibble. I actually read on the net a lot of reviews and I was aware of Orijen not fitting all dogs. That's why I went for little bag to try it out first. I think it's mostly because it has such a wide variety (maybe even unnecessary) of fruits, vegetables and meats and some dogs might be allergic to something or not being able to digest that. Though, I've tried Primitive Natural, too and since we don't have EVO in our country, after Orijen that's probably one of the best kibble available over here.

[Elisabeth]

I still think EVO is a bit better than Orijen.

Turkey, Chicken, Turkey meal, chicken meal, potatoes, hearing meal, chicken fat, natural flavors, apples, tomatoes, potassium chloride, carrots, vitamins, cottage cheese, minerals, alfalfa sprouts, dried chicory roots, Direct-fed microbial and ascorbic acid.

Way less fruits and veggies and herbs. No protein isolates and the highest protein and fat percentages of any kibble I know. 43/22.

i don't like that they put "natural flavors" in it. i know that in people food it's often a disguise for MSG!

[PDXdogmom]

i don't like that they put "natural flavors" in it. i know that in people food it's often a disguise for MSG!

I also thought I've heard that in human food the "natural flavors" is often MSG. But I've come across a variety of explanations for what it is in dog food. Here is one of the more common definitions:


Natural Flavoring

Natural flavoring in dog food is what the FDA calls "digests." These digests are composed of "materials treated with heat, enzymes and/or acids to form concentrated natural flavors." To provide additional meat flavor, broth might be added.

It's kind of nice when you don't see that in a kibble ingredient list, but it seems it's there more often than not.