Warning....Target Boots and Barkley Dog Food

[wags]

I thought this was a new thread! But anyway good thing you threw them away the treats! I wouldn't buy treats from Tar~Jay ! Or Walmart or Walgreens or well, you get it! Do you have a nice mom and pops place by you that sell good nutritiously yummy treats? Or another way to have them are to dehydrate your own that then you know they are getting really good healthy nutritiously meat! Heck their are even some good cook books for dogs! My daughter makes them a peanut butter treat that's really good! Carrots, green beans are also good! Anything but Tar~Jay or grocery store garbage!

[westminsterthree]

You make a good point but to be fair, last I checked Diamond has killed more dogs and cats than any pet food manufacturer in history and all you people is crow about is that crap food TOTW.

In addition, why not mention how Orijen misleads the public with bogus science and outright lies. When Orijen says its food is 80% protein (and 20% other) it includes water weight. By calories Orijen is 38/62, not 80/20. Moreover, all this stuff about regional Canadian ingredients is bogus. The meat meals actually come from the USA, not Canada, and they represent virtually all the protein in the food. I was poking around the internet today and Googled "problems with Orijen" and page after page of complaints came up. Why don't you hear from these people on these forums? Clearly what happens is that critical posts are removed by the administrators. How many recalls has Orijen had and didn't the FDA prevent some shipments of Acana from being sold? How many silent recalls has TOTW had?

Let's be real about all the ass-kissing and the criticisms of other foods.

[luvMyBRT]

You make a good point but to be fair, last I checked Diamond has killed more dogs and cats than any pet food manufacturer in history and all you people is crow about is that crap food TOTW.

In addition, why not mention how Orijen misleads the public with bogus science and outright lies. When Orijen says its food is 80% protein (and 20% other) it includes water weight. By calories Orijen is 38/62, not 80/20. Moreover, all this stuff about regional Canadian ingredients is bogus. The meat meals actually come from the USA, not Canada, and they represent virtually all the protein in the food. I was poking around the internet today and Googled "problems with Orijen" and page after page of complaints came up. Why don't you hear from these people on these forums? Clearly what happens is that critical posts are removed by the administrators. How many recalls has Orijen had and didn't the FDA prevent some shipments of Acana from being sold? How many silent recalls has TOTW had?

Let's be real about all the ass-kissing and the criticisms of other foods.

Yeah...let's be real.

[AveryandAudrey]

I dont feed kibble but I've looked at it as I do most foods just to see ingredients out of curiosity and in case I actually find something decent I can tell people who do feed kibble...Yikes awful food!

[DogLuver]

You make a good point but to be fair, last I checked Diamond has killed more dogs and cats than any pet food manufacturer in history and all you people is crow about is that crap food TOTW.

In addition, why not mention how Orijen misleads the public with bogus science and outright lies. When Orijen says its food is 80% protein (and 20% other) it includes water weight. By calories Orijen is 38/62, not 80/20. Moreover, all this stuff about regional Canadian ingredients is bogus. The meat meals actually come from the USA, not Canada, and they represent virtually all the protein in the food. I was poking around the internet today and Googled "problems with Orijen" and page after page of complaints came up. Why don't you hear from these people on these forums? Clearly what happens is that critical posts are removed by the administrators. How many recalls has Orijen had and didn't the FDA prevent some shipments of Acana from being sold? How many silent recalls has TOTW had?

Let's be real about all the ass-kissing and the criticisms of other foods.

eeks...well while we're ass-kissing and criticizing lol....

Forums are a place for real people to discuss their experiences and opinions. The reason you don't hear of those awful things on forums such as these are that those articles may have been written by one unhappy customer, or a group or whatever....but forums gather people from all over the world to share their experiences, and obviously with Orijen, they've been good experiences! I highly doubt that any "bad things" about Orijen have been removed from this forum.

Orijen, regardless of it's misleading lies you speak of, has worked wonders for many many dogs, and that's why on a forum, it has gained respect of many pet owners everywhere. You can say all the bad things you want about a company, but if the product that I'm buying is doing well for my dog, I'm going to speak highly of it, and when other owners are at their wits end looking for help, I would definitely recommend something that I've tried, and tested, and it's proved to work for me. I look at the ingredients, and am impressed, I could care less if the meat came from USA or Canada, regardless of how the company is advertising it, it really matters not when all I'm trying to do is make my dogs comfortable and happy. Sure it would be great if the ingredients really did all come from Canada like they claim, but in comparison to other dog foods, that really isn't on my list of priorities when choosing a dog food. JMO.

TOTW has gained respect of many dog owners as well. Things like the Diamond recall and killing many animals is not any kind of secret, and it's discussed many times even on this forum. Some people are willing to feed TOTW because it works very well for their pets, and is a decent price, but the facts you speak of are not ignored, but the benefit of feeding TOTW over rules the recalls they've had in the past I suppose (I don't feed TOTW, but I would if it were a decent price in Manitoba).

You can ask the administrators yourself, I believe they all feed RAW anyways, they have no reason to remove a thread or post because it speaks badly of Orijen or TOTW....I think there's a better reason that Orijen and TOTW are favored here, and not many people can speak badly of them ;)

[westminsterthree]

eeks...well while we're ass-kissing and criticizing lol....

Forums are a place for real people to discuss their experiences and opinions. The reason you don't hear of those awful things on forums such as these are that those articles may have been written by one unhappy customer, or a group or whatever....but forums gather people from all over the world to share their experiences, and obviously with Orijen, they've been good experiences! I highly doubt that any "bad things" about Orijen have been removed from this forum.

Orijen, regardless of it's misleading lies you speak of, has worked wonders for many many dogs, and that's why on a forum, it has gained respect of many pet owners everywhere. You can say all the bad things you want about a company, but if the product that I'm buying is doing well for my dog, I'm going to speak highly of it, and when other owners are at their wits end looking for help, I would definitely recommend something that I've tried, and tested, and it's proved to work for me. I look at the ingredients, and am impressed, I could care less if the meat came from USA or Canada, regardless of how the company is advertising it, it really matters not when all I'm trying to do is make my dogs comfortable and happy. Sure it would be great if the ingredients really did all come from Canada like they claim, but in comparison to other dog foods, that really isn't on my list of priorities when choosing a dog food. JMO.

TOTW has gained respect of many dog owners as well. Things like the Diamond recall and killing many animals is not any kind of secret, and it's discussed many times even on this forum. Some people are willing to feed TOTW because it works very well for their pets, and is a decent price, but the facts you speak of are not ignored, but the benefit of feeding TOTW over rules the recalls they've had in the past I suppose (I don't feed TOTW, but I would if it were a decent price in Manitoba).

You can ask the administrators yourself, I believe they all feed RAW anyways, they have no reason to remove a thread or post because it speaks badly of Orijen or TOTW....I think there's a better reason that Orijen and TOTW are favored here, and not many people can speak badly of them ;)

Both are junk and the people that use them generally don't have much experience with dogs. They might have one or two pets but have never done anything serious with dogs. What happens is that people are forced to feel guilty and overspend on inferior products because they are "in fashion". The irony is that Champions best products are the grain formulas that you cannot buy in the US because it would mess up the marketing. I heard that Orijen is considering a grain line with lower protein in the US because of the very poor performance of the new formula and consumer fear of the protein levels, which are excessive. So after roping people into spending so much money on a junk food how are they going to explain a line with lower protein and grain. I was talking to a trainer in Italy the other day and some field tests on grain free foods showed the dogs were miserable on them. No endurance and they overheated.

Word to the wise avoid the fads.

[Unosmom]

Both are junk and the people that use them generally don't have much experience with dogs.

Really? have you met every single person that feed orijen/acana?

I heard that Orijen is considering a grain line with lower protein in the US because of the very poor performance of the new formula and consumer fear of the protein levels, which are excessive. So after roping people into spending so much money on a junk food how are they going to explain a line with lower protein and grain. I was talking to a trainer in Italy the other day and some field tests on grain free foods showed the dogs were miserable on them. No endurance and they overheated.

Where did you hear this? Who is this trainer, what is his credibility?

[DogLuver]

Both are junk and the people that use them generally don't have much experience with dogs. They might have one or two pets but have never done anything serious with dogs. What happens is that people are forced to feel guilty and overspend on inferior products because they are "in fashion". No endurance and they overheated.

Word to the wise avoid the fads.

You are so rude!!! Anyone who feed Orijen have no experience with dogs....it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about...what on earth could make you say Orijen and TOTW are crap foods? Do you know anything about dogs? That they're carnivores, and Orijen has considered that in creating a formula for canines. I have plenty of experience with dogs, and I know many respectable dog trainers, and people that own working dogs, those dogs have done extremely well on Orijen, and they highly recommend it if you cannot feed RAW. I don't understand where you come off saying it's a crap food, your last post said that Orijen advertises that their food is all sourced from Canada, but it actually comes from the USA...so what? You cannot conclude that it's a crap food based on that, what about the fact that it contains a high amount of meat? Doesn't contain a lot of fillers? And the benefits that many people see in their dogs after switching to it. hahaha haven't done anything serious with dogs...my goodness, I would not be taking advice from that trainer in Italy if their dogs have no endurance and overheat, he/she is doing something seriously wrong, and to blame it on a food just proves how much he/she knows ... If you see a dog that's overheating you don't push it to continue regardless of what it's diet is??? I would report that trainer and never take advice from him/her again....overheated....what the hell, don't over work your dogs!!! AND to say that dogs are miserable on grain free foods???? Where are you getting this information??? I've never heard such ridiculous assumptions.

I would never feed something because it's a fad...that makes no sense, especially when spending that kind of money, it's the quality I care about. What kind of kibble would you recommend??? You've got a very strong opinion there westminsterthree....but very little useful information or facts.

[Dude and Bucks Mamma]

You make a good point but to be fair, last I checked Diamond has killed more dogs and cats than any pet food manufacturer in history and all you people is crow about is that crap food TOTW.

In addition, why not mention how Orijen misleads the public with bogus science and outright lies. When Orijen says its food is 80% protein (and 20% other) it includes water weight. By calories Orijen is 38/62, not 80/20. Moreover, all this stuff about regional Canadian ingredients is bogus. The meat meals actually come from the USA, not Canada, and they represent virtually all the protein in the food. I was poking around the internet today and Googled "problems with Orijen" and page after page of complaints came up. Why don't you hear from these people on these forums? Clearly what happens is that critical posts are removed by the administrators. How many recalls has Orijen had and didn't the FDA prevent some shipments of Acana from being sold? How many silent recalls has TOTW had?

Let's be real about all the ass-kissing and the criticisms of other foods.

Both are junk and the people that use them generally don't have much experience with dogs. They might have one or two pets but have never done anything serious with dogs. What happens is that people are forced to feel guilty and overspend on inferior products because they are "in fashion". The irony is that Champions best products are the grain formulas that you cannot buy in the US because it would mess up the marketing. I heard that Orijen is considering a grain line with lower protein in the US because of the very poor performance of the new formula and consumer fear of the protein levels, which are excessive. So after roping people into spending so much money on a junk food how are they going to explain a line with lower protein and grain. I was talking to a trainer in Italy the other day and some field tests on grain free foods showed the dogs were miserable on them. No endurance and they overheated.

Word to the wise avoid the fads.

Whoah...

You really want to say something like that to a whole forum of dog nutrition savvy people, many of which do feed Orijen or TOTW and do something "serious" with dogs? A lot of us here compete our dogs in various dog sports. You might want to replace the filter in your brain. It's letting some pretty ridiculous stuff get through...

[Hugh]

Just purchased Boots & Barkley Retriever Sticks (Chicken Flavor) from Target a few days ago for the first time. Didn't notice "Product of China" on the package (I know bad daddy). Anyway, gave my lab 1 stick which she quickly put down. 10 minutes later she gave me the treat back in the form of vomit. I though she prob had a bad belly from something else and didn't want to throw away the rawhide yet. 2 days later the exact same routine unfolded. 10 minutes after eating 1 stick it came back up. Needless to say the sticks are in the can. Just providing a warning to all about the brand and seeing if anyone else had a similar scenario with their dog.