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    Have you ever looked at the ingredient list of say Orijen, Evo or Acana ? By the way you won't find those brands at Petsmart or Petco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjschultz99 View Post
    It's just an ingredient list - which doesn't say anything about how much of each ingredient is in there - just how much as compared to others... Protein is min 27%, the same as Blue Buffalo.
    BUT .... If potatoes are the 2nd and 3rd ingredient, you know that there is more potato than any other thing. Potato is not a desired ingredient.

    Then you have poultry fat which comes from an unknown source. That is not good. You don't know where that fat came from.

    Then you have pumpkin. The only purpose of pumpkin in a dog's diet is to mask digestive problems. Why would a company want to do that except to hide the fact that their food causes digestive problems?

    Chicken digest is another undesired ingredient. It's highly processed chicken mush that is unrecognizable as chicken.

    After that is tomato pumace. Dogs don't need tomatoes but the pumace is refuse from the manufacture of ketsup etc. Its worse than tomatoes.

    Lets don't forget salt. Why would you want to add salt to a diet. Salt is bad for humans and dogs.

    Other than those reasons, its a great food.
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    I agree, way to many potatos,(for Petsmart) the BB Wilderness looks like a better option than the Natures Variety grain free.

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    Seems like they replaced grains with just more veggies.
    I bet grain free is gonna be the new holistic, where it will mean nothing for the actual quality of the food, just another gimmick

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    it also still has the menadione sodium bisulfite in it, so I would never even consider it. That and as previously mentioned, it has too much potato, not enough meat, and is just as expensive as many other much better grain-free foods. Definitely not worth it.
    An ounce of nutrition is worth a pound of vet bills.

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    I think everyone's covered everything basically, but I just wanted to add that the chicken (not chicken meal) has a higher water content and will drop down the ingredient list after processing. So it is mostly potatoes. I wouldn't buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rannmiller View Post
    it also still has the menadione sodium bisulfite in it, so I would never even consider it. That and as previously mentioned, it has too much potato, not enough meat, and is just as expensive as many other much better grain-free foods. Definitely not worth it.
    it's a culprit, it is....used in nutro products, too...and i swear menadione in nutro shortened the lives of three out of my four shih tzus...their liver enzymes were through the roof...and no one, not even me, figured out why..until i started reading about ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjschultz99 View Post
    It's just an ingredient list - which doesn't say anything about how much of each ingredient is in there - just how much as compared to others... Protein is min 27%, the same as Blue Buffalo.
    think of it this way. ingredients have to be listed i n order from weight..from greatest to least. if two ingredients have the same weight in the food,then the manufacturer can list them in any order they want. for instance if chicken and corn were both 1 percent of the food they can list it as chicken,corn..or corn,chicken. so it is clear when corn is first,that there is more corn then chicken as opposed to less or even equal amounts. the same applies here. even if the ingredient list was

    chicken,chicken meal,sweet potatoes,potatoes.
    there would be no guarantee that the sweet potatoes and the potatoes werent both equally significant as the chicken and chicken meal were.
    but this would be arranged with those first,since its ideal for ignorant users..since meat first is ideal for grain free buyers.

    however the ingredient list looks like this...
    Chicken, sweet potatoes, potatoes, chicken meal,

    so u can be assured that potatoes overrule chicken meal based on looking just as ingridents.

    now u need to have knowledge about fresh chicken vs chicken meal in dried kibbles. the fresh chciken will lose most of tis weight when dried. this means itll be around ing. 7.
    the real ingredient order is..
    sweet potatoes, potatoes, chicken meal,chicken

    this food is crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by RawFedDogs View Post
    BUT .... If potatoes are the 2nd and 3rd ingredient, you know that there is more potato than any other thing. Potato is not a desired ingredient.

    Then you have poultry fat which comes from an unknown source. That is not good. You don't know where that fat came from.

    Then you have pumpkin. The only purpose of pumpkin in a dog's diet is to mask digestive problems. Why would a company want to do that except to hide the fact that their food causes digestive problems?

    Chicken digest is another undesired ingredient. It's highly processed chicken mush that is unrecognizable as chicken.

    After that is tomato pumace. Dogs don't need tomatoes but the pumace is refuse from the manufacture of ketsup etc. Its worse than tomatoes.

    Lets don't forget salt. Why would you want to add salt to a diet. Salt is bad for humans and dogs.

    Other than those reasons, its a great food.
    ketsup =p=p=p

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