Problems are now here with Natura pet products.

[GermanSheperdlover]

I heard at my local pet store (awesome store for dog food) about issues that are surfacing with these products. Diarrhia, vomitting and lose stools, damn they were a great product until Procter and crap bought them. I bought my last bag of CN and only because it was from their last batch. I really liked feeding CN in the AM because it had very few ingredients and Orijen in the evening.

[SubMariner]

I heard at my local pet store (awesome store for dog food) about issues that are surfacing with these products. Diarrhia, vomitting and lose stools, damn they were a great product until Procter and crap bought them. I bought my last bag of CN and only because it was from their last batch. I really liked feeding CN in the AM because it had very few ingredients and Orijen in the evening.

This entire statement is so suspect, I can't even begin to list the holes:

- "I heard"... from whom? Was it people who had the problems? Did you actually speak anyone first hand? Or just "someone who works at the pet store"?

- "issues that are surfacing with these products." Are these first time users or long time users? IOW, is this a case of "before" and "after" or people who have just switched their dog to Natura?

Again, I am asking that people not post unsubstantiated rumours & innuendo but actually put up facts. We really don't need to add fuel to this particular fire.

[whiteleo]

Well, I think I had already posted about this in the thread about the takeover and no one responded but, the store that carried the Orijen/Acana/Evo/Innova/CN line in my hometown no longer carries any of the Natura products. Larry said he was suspect before they actually announced the takeover as dogs that were eating the Innova line were suddenly getting diarreah and sometimes vomiting, as soon as he got the buyout notice he put a sale on all the Natura products and hasn't reordered a product from them.
So, I don't think people are blowin smoke, only that people will believe what they chose to believe.

[SubMariner]

Well, I think I had already posted about this in the thread about the takeover and no one responded but, the store that carried the Orijen/Acana/Evo/Innova/CN line in my hometown no longer carries any of the Natura products. Larry said he was suspect before they actually announced the takeover as dogs that were eating the Innova line were suddenly getting diarreah and sometimes vomiting, as soon as he got the buyout notice he put a sale on all the Natura products and hasn't reordered a product from them.
So, I don't think people are blowin smoke, only that people will believe what they chose to believe.

I will believe that there is a problem when there is EVIDENCE there is a problem. You talked with someone who "said he was suspect". Suspicion is not proof. And third party "suspicions" (AKA hearsay) are even less proof.

Can "Larry" point to a specific dog and say "Rover was fine on lot #12345 of Innova EVO XYZ. However, when Rover ate lot #23456 of Innova XYZ he developed diarrhea and vomiting. At that time the dog wasn't eating anything else other than Innova EVO XYZ. After he went off lot #23456 of Innova XYZ his symptoms disappeared." ???

For example, go to Apple's iPhone Support forum & look at the actual horror stories from people with the 3G who tried to install the latest version of the operating system (OS4). Now THAT'S proof that there's a problem.

[buddy97]

not saying changes have occurred or not with natura products, but there are all types of subtle changes that can be made for which there will never be any "EVIDENCE"....source changes, quality control procedures, to name a couple...and of course any manufacturer can do these things and they arent going to be announcing it to any customers. x company isnt going to suddenly announce "hey everyone, we are now sourcing one of the lowest grade turkey meals and chicken meals in the country", are they?

im just happy i dont need to feed any Natura products and am extremely happy with what i feed. i think in a couple years it will be clear, one way or another, in what direction P&G will have taken Natura. AGAIN, if they stay true to their word, all the better.

[SubMariner]

not saying changes have occurred or not with natura products, but there are all types of subtle changes that can be made for which there will never be any "EVIDENCE"....source changes, quality control procedures, to name a couple...and of course any manufacturer can do these things and they arent going to be announcing it to any customers. x company isnt going to suddenly announce "hey everyone, we are now sourcing one of the lowest grade turkey meals and chicken meals in the country", are they?

Wow... ok. So do you make your own dog food? Or feed raw? IOW, if you BUY dog food then you have to trust that mfg, don't you?

im just happy i dont need to feed any Natura products and am extremely happy with what i feed. i think in a couple years it will be clear, one way or another, in what direction P&G will have taken Natura. AGAIN, if they stay true to their word, all the better.

I too am happy with what I am feeding my dog. I saved the "wrapper" from the last bag of food we bought him (pre-P&G) and will be saving the others for comparison.

I can assure you if I see a difference worth sharing, I'll do so.

[GermanSheperdlover]

This is no rumor lady. I was informed by the people who run the Natural pet store in Edmonds, WA. If you don't want to believe the facts, so be it. You might wanna buy some bags of Eukanuba and Iams and check out those products. Both were decent dog foods before p & g got their hands on those products. IT ISN'T THE INGREDIENT LIST THEY ARE CHANGING, THEY ARE BUYING LOWER QUAILIY PRODUCTS. Included is there fish and fish meals.. You can also get lower grades of rice and brown rice. Some people just don't learn..

[kevin bradley]

Wow... ok. So do you make your own dog food? Or feed raw? IOW, if you BUY dog food then you have to trust that mfg, don't you?



I too am happy with what I am feeding my dog. I saved the "wrapper" from the last bag of food we bought him (pre-P&G) and will be saving the others for comparison.

I can assure you if I see a difference worth sharing, I'll do so.

Sub,

While I agree w/ some of what you are saying...you really ARE playing with fire by staying with anything P & G puts out.

Anything negative we say about P & G isn't done to hurt you...its said and done to HELP you and your Dog.

How could you think P & G has your interest at heart with whats been documented on the Animal testing they do, the foods they put out(Iams, Euk)....NOTHING they do is in the INTEREST of our Dogs.

[SubMariner]

This is no rumor lady. I was informed by the people who run the Natural pet store in Edmonds, WA. If you don't want to believe the facts, so be it. You might wanna buy some bags of Eukanuba and Iams and check out those products. Both were decent dog foods before p & g got their hands on those products. IT ISN'T THE INGREDIENT LIST THEY ARE CHANGING, THEY ARE BUYING LOWER QUAILIY PRODUCTS. Included is there fish and fish meals.. You can also get lower grades of rice and brown rice. Some people just don't learn..

Ah... angry red letters. Unfortunately, it doesn't make up for the lack of actual evidence.

To reiterate: If there is direct evidence, please post it. Otherwise it is rumour & hearsay.

[kevin bradley]

This is no rumor lady. I was informed by the people who run the Natural pet store in Edmonds, WA. If you don't want to believe the facts, so be it. You might wanna buy some bags of Eukanuba and Iams and check out those products. Both were decent dog foods before p & g got their hands on those products. IT ISN'T THE INGREDIENT LIST THEY ARE CHANGING, THEY ARE BUYING LOWER QUAILIY PRODUCTS. Included is there fish and fish meals.. You can also get lower grades of rice and brown rice. Some people just don't learn..

German,

No, they were never good foods. I DID look up an old ingredient list on Eukanuba. It never had much meat and has always been litterred with Corn and Grain. We can debate semantics("decent") but NO, Iams and Eukanuba were always pretty crap foods compared to the TRUE premium food of today(Orijen/Acana...)...

Heck, I'd even place Taste of the Wild FAR above what Iams or Eukanuba EVER was.