Problems are now here with Natura pet products.

[steve]

Sorry to the above post, it should pet food store. One last thing is i very much like Champion and i hope that i got that across ok. Just rushing as i am late for work bu felt i had to post a another opinion from someone who is in the business.

Thank you

[kevin bradley]

Sorry to the above post, it should pet food store. One last thing is i very much like Champion and i hope that i got that across ok. Just rushing as i am late for work bu felt i had to post a another opinion from someone who is in the business.

Thank you

Came across perfectly, Steve. Thanks for giving us your thoughts.

As I said repeatedly, I err on the side of "We just don't know what will happen yet"....with a definite bias towards a negative(Natura food degrading) outcome at some point-in 1 year or 5 years I feel it is most likely coming.

...where some other members seem to fall completely on the side of "Natura will be fine, nothing will ever change"

[RawFedDogs]

...where some other members seem to fall completely on the side of "Natura will be fine, nothing will ever change"

I don't think anyone has said nothing will ever change. Everything changes for a variety of reasons. But when something does change, it won't necessarily be because of P&G. It may well have changed anyway. The change may very well be for the better. It may actually improve the product but for those anti big business people, no change could possibly be positive or improve the product in any way. I'm sure in time Natura would have made changes without P&G buying them.

Don't worry about change until it happens. THEN look at it and determine if its a positive change or negative.

[kevin bradley]

I don't think anyone has said nothing will ever change. Everything changes for a variety of reasons. But when something does change, it won't necessarily be because of P&G. It may well have changed anyway. The change may very well be for the better. It may actually improve the product but for those anti big business people, no change could possibly be positive or improve the product in any way. I'm sure in time Natura would have made changes without P&G buying them.

Don't worry about change until it happens. THEN look at it and determine if its a positive change or negative.

I hope you're right, Raw. I honestly don't WISH for the food to digress...because it goes without saying that it will end up in the bellies of our beloved friends.

I was in Wal Mart the other day and saw a number of people with Old Roy in their carts. All I can think of is some poor Dog is eating that garbage.

[SaltyDog]

I was in Wal Mart the other day and saw a number of people with Old Roy in their carts. All I can think of is some poor Dog is eating that garbage.

So then, how do you feel when you drive past McDonalds and see the Drive-Thru line wrapped around the building? Those poor kids?

Or what about all the schools feeding processed lunches to our children?


I'm not trying to stir the pot, but some people just do not and never will, care.

[kevin bradley]

Admittedly Salty, I'm a bit of a hypocrit as I myself will eat fast food 1-2x per week. Heck, I shop on a regular basis at Wal Mart.

I guess I look at our Dogs as not having the ability to decide for themselves and its a responsibility thats been handed to us. I don't really care what human beings do to themselves to be brutally honest. I look at my Dogs as Angels(as I'm sure 99% of this forum does)...as gifts that I need to keep here as long as possible.

[SaltyDog]

Admittedly Salty, I'm a bit of a hypocrit as I myself will eat fast food 1-2x per week. Heck, I shop on a regular basis at Wal Mart.

I guess I look at our Dogs as not having the ability to decide for themselves and its a responsibility thats been handed to us. I don't really care what human beings do to themselves to be brutally honest. I look at my Dogs as Angels(as I'm sure 99% of this forum does)...as gifts that I need to keep here as long as possible.

I totally agree with you, but in my little "what if" sentence, I was referring to children. That line at McDonalds involves kids not being able to pick what they want to eat, because their care takers (mom and dad) have chosen for them....fast food. OR, our children are stuffed Monday thru Friday at our schools with cheap, preserved government run food that isn't anymore nutritious than most fast food.

I get totally what you are saying that the only choice dogs have is the choice we give them. (I personally feed Honest Kitchen, Evo and Orijen). Same goes for our children.

Point is....yes it is sad to see dogs have to eat Ol' Roy, Iams, Purina....etc, but it is just as sad to see children forced to eat cafeteria food and fast food forced by parents

[LabbieMama]

...... but it is just as sad to see children forced to eat cafeteria food and fast food forced by parents

I raised my two children on home prepared healthy meals and we ate dinner at home every night except for occasionally ordering out for pizza. For snacks my children were given healthy choices such as fruit, cheese, celery, etc. instead of the usual chips or cookies.

Now that my oldest is almost 18 and has her own car, she's rarely home for dinner anymore although she is always welcome. Instead, she lives on a consistent diet of Dunkin Donuts, Wendy's, Burger King, and Subway. Her own personal choices, not mine.

Sad, isn't it. I did my best but I know that we can bring a horse to water but we cannot force it to drink.

[littleboodog]

Which ingredients? how much cheaper? How do you know the quality of these ingredients are less? Where do they get these cheaper ingredients? Where do you get this information?

Can't answer all the questions, but some I can. Which ingredients? Protein sources. More vegetable protein, less animal protein. Less whole ingredients, more fragmented ("we use only the part of the [fill in the blank] that we need"). Notably, rice, corn, wheat gluten. Soy protein isolate. They get these ingredients from China, and they are cheaper. They are so cheap that the cost of transporting ingredients and product components don't adversely affect the bottom line.

The information is there. Read annual reports. Read the press releases. Google China's production numbers. Every industry that uses China's labor force is identified on the internet if you look hard enough. The production volume is there. The financial results are there.

[RawFedDogs]

[QUOTE=littleboodog;37084]Can't answer all the questions, but some I can. Which ingredients? Protein sources. More vegetable protein, less animal protein. Less whole ingredients, more fragmented ("we use only the part of the [fill in the blank] that we need"). Notably, rice, corn, wheat gluten. Soy protein isolate. They get these ingredients from China, and they are cheaper. QUOTE]

HUH???? I don't think we are in the same conversation. With the exception of rice, Natura doesn't use any of those ingredients as far as I know. I don't think they use any fragments. Go back and read my post and the post just before it that my post is commenting on.