A few questions about high protein dog foods and canidae?

[RCTRIPLEFRESH5]

Tomato pumace is primarliy a filler.

I found this thread below from TOTW foods~

Tomato pomace is a controversial ingredient... by-product left over after the processing of tomatoes into juice, soup and ketchup.

Many praise tomato pomace for its high fiber and nutrient content… while others scorn it as a cheap pet food filler laden with pesticides found on the skin of the tomato before processing.

so does that mean wellness core is not one of the best/ i just looked and canidae has tomato pomace also............

would you guys say that canidae grain free is of equal quality to wellness core?
canidae grain free is substantially cheaper. 30 pounds for 42.79 at my store with tax.

and idont know how much my store charges for wellness core but most likely 58-60 dollars for 26 pounds.

oh and am i missing something here? i thought that canidae sponsored the whole ''buy 12 bags get 1 free thing'' i know thats how it was when i fed nutro many years back. is petco pals a club where if i buy 10 bags of any food i get one free? i might just start buying my food at petco after i get my free bag from my current supplier. petcos probably cheaper as well.
but yeah wether i choose canidae or wellness do i get a free 11th bag with petco adn are their prices cheaper? and does pals offer discounts or just rewards like free bags

[malluver1005]

^^^^IMO, the better of the two would be Wellness Core Original Formula. It's got a lot less ingredients, and that's a plus for me. It's also got glucosamine/chondroitin which may not help a lot, but every little bit counts. Have you tried looking at other places other than petco? The petco I have here is insanely expensive. But, if it isn't a problem for you then keep at it.


CANIDAE ALS Grain Free Ingredients
Chicken meal, turkey meal, lamb, potatoes, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), lamb meal, ocean fish meal, tomato pomace, natural flavor, choline chloride, suncured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta-carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, papaya, pineapple.

Wellness Core Original Formula Ingredients
Deboned Turkey, Deboned Chicken, Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Potatoes, Dried Ground Potato, Tomato Pomace, Natural Chicken Flavor, Canola Oil, Chicken Liver, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed, Carrots, Sweet Potatoes, Kale, Broccoli, Spinach, Parsley, Apples, Blueberries, Vitamins & Minerals, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Products, Rosemary Extract.

[Todd]

IMO, the better of the two would be Wellness Core Original Formula. It's got a lot less ingredients, and that's a plus for me. It's also got glucosamine/chondroitin which may not help a lot, but every little bit counts. Have you tried looking at other places other than petco? The petco I have here is insanely expensive. But, if it isn't a problem for you then keep at it.


CANIDAE ALS Grain Free Ingredients
Chicken meal, turkey meal, lamb, potatoes, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), lamb meal, ocean fish meal, tomato pomace, natural flavor, choline chloride, suncured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta-carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, papaya, pineapple.

Wellness Core Original Formula Ingredients
Deboned Turkey, Deboned Chicken, Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Potatoes, Dried Ground Potato, Tomato Pomace, Natural Chicken Flavor, Canola Oil, Chicken Liver, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed, Carrots, Sweet Potatoes, Kale, Broccoli, Spinach, Parsley, Apples, Blueberries, Vitamins & Minerals, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Products, Rosemary Extract.

is there a Pet People near you. There aren't many. I think just Ohio and California.

[malluver1005]

^^^^I've never even heard of pet people...

[Todd]

^^^^I've never even heard of pet people...

it's not a big franchise. just a natural pet store. they have only one in ohio and i though they had one in california. privately owned type of thing i think. its pretty cool though. they carry all the natural pet foods, freezer bones, natural treats, etc.

[RCTRIPLEFRESH5]

^^^^IMO, the better of the two would be Wellness Core Original Formula. It's got a lot less ingredients, and that's a plus for me. It's also got glucosamine/chondroitin which may not help a lot, but every little bit counts. Have you tried looking at other places other than petco? The petco I have here is insanely expensive. But, if it isn't a problem for you then keep at it.


CANIDAE ALS Grain Free Ingredients
Chicken meal, turkey meal, lamb, potatoes, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), lamb meal, ocean fish meal, tomato pomace, natural flavor, choline chloride, suncured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta-carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, papaya, pineapple.

Wellness Core Original Formula Ingredients
Deboned Turkey, Deboned Chicken, Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Potatoes, Dried Ground Potato, Tomato Pomace, Natural Chicken Flavor, Canola Oil, Chicken Liver, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed, Carrots, Sweet Potatoes, Kale, Broccoli, Spinach, Parsley, Apples, Blueberries, Vitamins & Minerals, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Products, Rosemary Extract.

it still kind of upsets me that canidae has the meals as the first ingridients whereas wellness has them AFTER the water meats. i still feel like canidae has ahigher meat contenet. but ''rawfood' brought up a good point that meals are lower quality as wells. i dont know much about meats but ''deboned'' makes the meats in wellness sound pretty tasty.

[Todd]

deboned isn't a good thing. i would imagine that deboned means the meat taken off of the bone. Bone is a necessary component in any balanced canine diet. It doesn't make much sense to me, why would pet food manufactures go to the effort of deboning meat when the bone is actually very nutritious??? Unless they're using meat that had already been separated from the bone long before. Seems kind of ignorant to me. Kinda like the way some dog food companies display cobs of corn on pet food bags. don't they know that corn is one of the crappiest things for a dog??? they either think the majority of pet owners are ignorant or they're as dumb as I think they are! just goes to show you the lengths some people will go to make money. corporate america at its finest.

[RCTRIPLEFRESH5]

deboned isn't a good thing. i would imagine that deboned means the meat taken off of the bone. Bone is a necessary component in any balanced canine diet. It doesn't make much sense to me, why would pet food manufactures go to the effort of deboning meat when the bone is actually very nutritious??? Unless they're using meat that had already been separated from the bone long before. Seems kind of ignorant to me. Kinda like the way some dog food companies display cobs of corn on pet food bags. don't they know that corn is one of the crappiest things for a dog??? they either think the majority of pet owners are ignorant or they're as dumb as I think they are! just goes to show you the lengths some people will go to make money. corporate america at its finest.

well thats just great hahah. now im more confused than ever. i have no idea what to ddo now! i dont want to feed raw i prefer kibbles due to their convenience but i find faults with every single kibble.

[malluver1005]

^^If you can't feed the best thing, have you considered homecooking? If that's not your thing, have you looke at Orijen or Innova EVO dry foods?

[harrkim120]

^^^^IMO, the better of the two would be Wellness Core Original Formula. It's got a lot less ingredients, and that's a plus for me. It's also got glucosamine/chondroitin which may not help a lot, but every little bit counts. Have you tried looking at other places other than petco? The petco I have here is insanely expensive. But, if it isn't a problem for you then keep at it.


CANIDAE ALS Grain Free Ingredients
Chicken meal, turkey meal, lamb, potatoes, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), lamb meal, ocean fish meal, tomato pomace, natural flavor, choline chloride, suncured alfalfa meal, inulin (from chicory root), lecithin, sage extract, cranberries, beta-carotene, rosemary extract, sunflower oil, yucca schidigera extract, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, cobalt proteinate, papaya, pineapple.

Wellness Core Original Formula Ingredients
Deboned Turkey, Deboned Chicken, Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Potatoes, Dried Ground Potato, Tomato Pomace, Natural Chicken Flavor, Canola Oil, Chicken Liver, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed, Carrots, Sweet Potatoes, Kale, Broccoli, Spinach, Parsley, Apples, Blueberries, Vitamins & Minerals, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Products, Rosemary Extract.

The reason that it LOOKS like there's less ingredients in the Core is because they aren't listing their vitamins and minerals....they're just calling them "Vitamins & Minerals" From what I'm counting here, Canidae has less ingredients.

However, I'm not sure if less ingredients matter to me...something to ponder I guess.

As for the glucosamine/chondroitin that you're talking about...the amount in the food is so minimal that it won't make a difference. Also, any food with meat (chicken in particular) should have SOME in there, just not much. It comes from the cartilage and some other parts that I don't know. lol If you're looking for something that's going to give you an effect, then you're better off buying a hip and joint supplement separately.

Now, don't get me wrong...I likes me some Wellness and IMO I would pick that over the Canidae...I just wanted to set the record straight.