Green Pea......Food w/o?

[RawFedDogs]

I showed you some independent proof. Answer the question RFD.

You have shown absolute non proof other that material that comes from Abady promotional department.

Why do you see chicken fat and animal fat across the board? Because that is the more expensive stuff?

I really don't know which is cheaper. Chicken fat should be cheap because it is plentiful. Lard should be cheap because it's the rendered garbage from pork production. Lard used to be used in human cooking but is rarely used in today's world because of the high concentration of saturated fats. The main use of lard in today's world is to make soap.

Use your head. I have asked you in the past to disprove and show me where they lie. Time and time again you come up with nothing? Disprove what they say from a stand point of science.

You made the statements, you prove their validity. It's not up to me to run around doing a bunch of research to prove obviously rediculous promotional claims.

You must take the same viewpoint as the WDJ. There is no room for science and dog food is purely subjective.

I don't know ... I've never read WDJ. I don't have a clue what is in it.

If you want to feed your dogs ground up chicken heads, feet, and intestines along with soap, go ahead. NO one is trying to stop you. Just don't try to push it as high quality food.

[SubMariner]

You want to look at Wellness Core, Instinct, Innova Evo and California Natural. I just did a quick look at the first 3 and did not see peas in them and C.N. is really good food without any junk in it. I just noticed you said Evo but I did not see any peas in the yellow or orange bag large bites.

Dog Food Reviews - Innova EVO (Large bites) - Powered by ReviewPost

Evo Large Bites Turkey & Chicken Ingredients:
Turkey
Chicken
Turkey Meal
Chicken Meal
Potatoes
Herring Meal
Chicken Fat
Natural Flavors
Egg
Apples
Tomatoes
Potassium Chloride
Carrots
Vitamins
Cottage Cheese
Minerals
Alfalfa Sprouts
Dried Chicory Root
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)
Direct-Fed Microbials

Pax,

[claybuster]

If you want to feed your dogs ground up chicken heads, feet, and intestines along with soap, go ahead. NO one is trying to stop you. Just don't try to push it as high quality food.

I'm not pushing anything. However, we see your typical rude responses when you know you are yet again losing a debate.

So, I have fed the product for 7 years with never a bit of trouble (and no recalls). Everything what they have stated I have found to be true, therefore I need to prove nothing. You folks on the other hand find it all BS and a just a bunch of promotional lies. Therefore the burden of proof is on you people to disprove what they say from a standpoint of science. Good luck with BTW. All we have is your opinion of something with nothing to back up your ridiculous accusations. Yes, I know what people will come back with as their proof, some nonsensical BS from AAFCO (started by Vets) about the evils of by-product meals and lard and the joys of summer squash and pumpkin. Surely you folks can do better than that. So, time and time again I ask tell me where they lie and refute that with some science and time and time again you all come up empty handed. I know what they say is true because I have witnessed the results. You folks on the other hand offer nothing but opinion.

[RawFedDogs]

I'm not pushing anything.

Baloney! You have been pushing Abady foods not only on this board but other boards across the internet for 5 or more years. You have been kicked off some boards for your never ending promotional ranting.

However, we see your typical rude responses when you know you are yet again losing a debate.

Maybe rude but also factual. I'm not even close to loosing and haven't been in this Abady discussion for the last year or so. You don't have a leg to stand on, CB. If you could just come up with something to substantuate your statements besides Abady promotional material. Anything!

Everything what they have stated I have found to be true, therefore I need to prove nothing.

Then why do you keep trying?

You folks on the other hand find it all BS and a just a bunch of promotional lies.

Because it is. It has no scientific basis. None. Not one little bit.

Therefore the burden of proof is on you people to disprove what they say from a standpoint of science.

Now, now, now, CB. I am on to your game. You can't prove your statements so you try to shift the burden to the reader. I can see it now ... some great scientist comes out with a study and says, "I can prove it but its up to you to disprove it." LOLOLOLOLOLOL Science doesn't work that way, CB.

Good luck with BTW. All we have is your opinion of something with nothing to back up your ridiculous accusations.

I can back up most everything I say. Which statement(s) that I made do you think aren't factual?

Yes, I know what people will come back with as their proof, some nonsensical BS from AAFCO (started by Vets) about the evils of by-product meals and lard and the joys of summer squash and pumpkin.

Get your facts straight, CB. Once again you are spouting stuff you have no knowledge of. AAFCO has nothing to do with vets, rather it is run by the dog food companies. I don't remember reading anything by AAFCO that has anything positive or negative to say about any ingredient in dog food. It merely states what they are and it purposely makes those statements in such terms as to be impossible to decipher.

So, time and time again I ask tell me where they lie and refute that with some science and time and time again you all come up empty handed.

Hehe, you wouldn't know science if it rared up and bit you on the a$$.

I know what they say is true because I have witnessed the results. You folks on the other hand offer nothing but opinion.

You have seen your own dog. Nothing else. It proves nothing. I can show you seemingly healthy dogs rasied on Ol' Roy or Purina or Alpo and even SD.

Lard is what I said it is. Rice is inappropriate food for a dog particularly in the amounts in Abady. Chicken by-product meal is ground up heads, feet, intestines and any other unusable parts of a chicken. None of these are high quality ingredients.

Maybe you can post on other boards where the members don't know enough to argue with you but not here.

[DaneMama]

Science Diet Adult formula Ingredients:

Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Vitamin E Supplement, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

Abady's Stress Formula Ingredient list:




And I have never seen so much marketing material in an ingredient list before in my LIFE!!!

Its like they have to convince you that their ingredients are quality and that you should buy their food, because they know that their ingredients are sh*tty to begin with.

And CB...just because your dog does fantastic on this food doesn't mean that it is high quality. There are dogs that are in their 20's that live off of nothing more than Kibbles n' Bits their entire life.

Kibbles n' Bits Ingredient List:

corn, soybean meal, beef and bone meal, ground wheat flour, animal fat (bha used as preservative), corn syrup, wheat middlings, water sufficient for processing, animal digest (source of chicken flavor), propylene glycol, salt, hydrochloric acid, potassium chloride, caramel color, sorbic acid (used as a preservative), sodium carbonate, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), choline chloride, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin A supplement, niacin supplement, D-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), calcium sulfate, titanium dioxide, yellow 5, yellow 6, red 40, BHA (used as a preservative), dl methionine.

Seems to me like Abady can be compared to the dreaded Science diet and the even more horrific Kibbles n' Bits. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

Does that mean its appropriate???? Heck NO!!!! Get a clue....

At this point its not even about science anymore, its about common sense.

[claybuster]

OK. You all win the arguments. Thanks for your intelligent unsubstantiated opinions. Impossible to match wit's with you people.

[wags]

Foods with Marigold Flowers, Dandelions (lawn weeds), peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, summer savory....now that makes a premium food!

well I would have to admit that ORIJEN versus abady hands down ORIJEN wins!
Those mentioned ingredients are far down the list and are not ingredients that are a major factor in the Orijen product.
Do you dwell on things for the sake of argument? I find arguing distasteful especially with someone I dont even know on the internet. I'm here to if I can help anyone or find help myself for things I need to know about my dogs!
Please stop argueing with everyone and anyone here who disagress with your statements about Abady. Your so defensive about this seems unusual on this sight where everyones into high end premium foods!
Its not a good food its low ranking and just crap with horrible ingredients . No one should feed their dog such a low quality food. If you can't afford ORIJEN which yes it is very expensive goodness there are plenty of great quality foods out there that would be wonderful for your dog. Abady is up there with Old Roy , foods sold at hardware stores for dogs and crapola made by low end companies who are looking to make a buck versus actually careing for what you feed your dog.

[wags]

but it cures hip displasia...

HAHAHAHAHA! Yah and my uncle sells a cure all elixer! 100 bucks for 4 ounces gets it right out of the tap! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[claybuster]

well I would have to admit that ORIJEN versus abady hands down ORIJEN wins!
Those mentioned ingredients are far down the list and are not ingredients that are a major factor in the Orijen product.
Do you dwell on things for the sake of argument? I find arguing distasteful especially with someone I dont even know on the internet. I'm here to if I can help anyone or find help myself for things I need to know about my dogs!
Please stop argueing with everyone and anyone here who disagress with your statements about Abady. Your so defensive about this seems unusual on this sight where everyones into high end premium foods!
Its not a good food its low ranking and just crap with horrible ingredients . No one should feed their dog such a low quality food. If you can't afford ORIJEN which yes it is very expensive goodness there are plenty of great quality foods out there that would be wonderful for your dog. Abady is up there with Old Roy , foods sold at hardware stores for dogs and crapola made by low end companies who are looking to make a buck versus actually careing for what you feed your dog.

I disagree. I think your food sucks and its overpriced crap. I wouldn't feed it were free.

[claybuster]

Seriously, I would rather feed Old Roy and Kibbles and Bits than waste my money on flowers and lawn weeds. HAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAH.