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    Default Whats a good range of Kcals/cup?

    I was searching some of the well known high quality brands and I am noticing the kcals per cup varies greatly. Some foods are in the low 300's where as others are nearly 500. If I want my dog to lose weight I am assuming I would want lower kcals per cup, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren43 View Post
    I was searching some of the well known high quality brands and I am noticing the kcals per cup varies greatly. Some foods are in the low 300's where as others are nearly 500. If I want my dog to lose weight I am assuming I would want lower kcals per cup, correct?

    Yes lower kcals would be best but do not go low low kcals. I have noticed this causes a problem too. It has been described as the brain thinking the body is "starving" and actually conserving calories etc and then you get no weight loss at all. Moderate kcals probably with moderate protein and a tad lower fat would be my recommendation. I am not sure what products are out there right now as I was offline for a while but I do have one attached to my company...hate saying that but we do have a good one if you are interested just PM me, I'll look for some other ones available as well. I always liked Eagle Pack Senior for this purpose but I am not sure about the company changes that took place while I was not aware. Sensible Choice (Natural Blend) from Royal Canin had a good one but it looks like it is off the market.

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    Lower Carb is more important than low fat, when weight needs to be lost. FWIW, I used Wellness Core's reduced fat to help a new adopted lose 20+ pounds. I can't remember the kcals nor the fat, just that it was low Carb.
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    Marie I disagree with you, the overall calories is what is important in many, many studies. Much has been written about the effect of both low carbs and low fat and in the end they differ little, it is smart eating and lower calories that make the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibblelady View Post
    Marie I disagree with you, the overall calories is what is important in many, many studies. Much has been written about the effect of both low carbs and low fat and in the end they differ little, it is smart eating and lower calories that make the difference.
    I didn't say anything about calories, I said that I think that lower carb is more important than lower fat.
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    I've learned higher kcal is better as they are getting more nutrients out of each cup. Unless they're empty calories.

    And I agree lower carb is way more important. Low fat can be bad because of skin and cost health.


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    Marie I also commented on the low carb vs low fat. Studies show neither is "better" or more effective. In the end it is what you/ your dog is eating and the calories that matter in weight loss.

    For instance, look at the construction of this..


    Chicken Meal, Pearled Barley, Oat Groats, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Grain Sorghum, Dried Egg Product, Rice Bran, Dried Beet Pulp, Catfish Meal, Natural Flavors, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Canola Oil, Brewers Dried Yeast, Pork Plasma, Flaxseed Meal, Fish Oil, Calcium Carbonate, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, L-Lysine, Fructooligosaccharide, Salt, Dried Apple Pomace, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Taurine, Dried Carrots, DL-Methionine, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium thermophilum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Celery, Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Dried Blueberries, Dried Broccoli, Pomegranate Extract, Dried Beets, Dried Parsley, Dried Lettuce, Dried Watercress, Dried Spinach, Manganese Proteinate, Beta-Carotene, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Inositol, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, L-Carnitine, Thiamine Mononitrate, Zinc Oxide, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Selenium Yeast, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin A Acetate, Potassium Iodide, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Folic Acid.

    This has 35.5% carbs, lower than the normal version of this food. Notice the higher protein and lower fat, both carbs and fat are lower simultaneously. Calories are 326 kcals per cup.. significantly lower than the regular version of this food. The brown rice is the only higher glycemic index ingredient, the others are specifically selected for their low index. I used this one as the example because it is the one I know well. There is a reason it is constructed the way that it is. My sister is using this and her dog is doing wonderfully and yes, losing weight slowly as it should be.

    Here is a link showing recommended weight loss foods formulated the exact same way as in higher protein, lower fat and lower kcals the carbs can vary with these foods but IMO not for good reasons... normal to higher fat values and high protein are not the way to approach this IMO and if there is science backing this approach I would love to read it. Here is the link Recommended Dog Foods for Weight Loss oh, my linking to articles sometimes on the DFA does not mean I endorse DFA, sometimes there just happens to be the information I am looking for on a page on the site.
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    Inactivity, overfeeding (known or unknown) and medical situations are causes of weight gain and obesity. Medical issues aside, find any reasonable good formula and adjust activity levels and food amounts. That's the way to go.
    Regarding kcals per cup. The variations comes from packing more (or less) weight into the same volume. Well, sometimes it's not even the same volume from one brand to the other! So, if counting calories is important or you have a special interest for what ever reason always go with kcal/kg.

    Here's a pdf of daily calorie requirements I saw today

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaViking View Post
    Inactivity, overfeeding (known or unknown) and medical situations are causes of weight gain and obesity. Medical issues aside, find any reasonable good formula and adjust activity levels and food amounts. That's the way to go.
    Regarding kcals per cup. The variations comes from packing more (or less) weight into the same volume. Well, sometimes it's not even the same volume from one brand to the other! So, if counting calories is important or you have a special interest for what ever reason always go with kcal/kg.

    Here's a pdf of daily calorie requirements I saw today
    When we adopted the sheltie, who was 14" tall, she weighed 43.7lbs. She had alot of health issues and walking her was out of the question for a very long time. She needed to lose weight and needed to asap. We put her on thyroid meds, which I'm sure helped and I needed a food for her. I wanted a grainfree, higher protein food but one with lower fat. The answer for us was Wellness Core reduced fat. It worked wonders for her and I know somone online who had an obese dog and the last I knew, was working for that dog too. Might not be the answer for every dog but it was for us
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    Quote Originally Posted by InkedMarie View Post
    When we adopted the sheltie, who was 14" tall, she weighed 43.7lbs. She had alot of health issues and walking her was out of the question for a very long time. She needed to lose weight and needed to asap. We put her on thyroid meds, which I'm sure helped and I needed a food for her. I wanted a grainfree, higher protein food but one with lower fat. The answer for us was Wellness Core reduced fat. It worked wonders for her and I know somone online who had an obese dog and the last I knew, was working for that dog too. Might not be the answer for every dog but it was for us
    Hypothyroidism. That would fall in under a medical situation. Donna Solomon, DVM: Pet Obesity Is OUR Decision

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