Grain Free Kibble for Large Breed Puppies

[SpooOwner]

I'd like to update the list of high-end GF foods suitable for a LBP that we created last year. Is this still accurate?

1. Acana Pacifica - 1.4-1.5% Ca :: 1.1-1.2% Ph
2. Acana Prairie - 1.3-1.4% Ca :: 1.1-1.2% Ph
3. Dogswell Chicken and Chickpea Recipe - 1.7% Ca : 1.1% Ph (Note: citric acid)
4. Fromm Grain-free Surf and Turf – 1.0% Ca : 0.9% Ph
5. Orijen Adult - 1.4-1.6% Ca :: 1.2-1.4% Ph
6. Orijen LBP - 1.5 - 1.7% Ca :: 1.2 - 1.4% Ph
7. Orijen Regional Red - 1.6 - 1.8% Ca :: 1.4 - 1.6% Ph
8. Orijen 6 Fish - 1.4-1.6% Ca :: 1.2-1.4% Ph
9. TOTW Sierra Mountains - 1.6% Ca

Not Suitable:

1. Acana Grasslands - 2% Ca
2. Canidae Grain-free ALS - 2% Ca
3. Dogswell Lamb and Chickpea Recipe - 2.2% Ca : 1.1% Ph (Note: flaxseed, citric acid)
4. Evo - high Ca
5. Fromm Grain-free Beef Fritata - low proportion of meat, but suitable Ca levels
6. Merrick Before Grain Chicken – 2.1% Ca
7. Merrick Before Grain Buffalo - 2% Ca
8. Merrick Before Grain Salmon - 2% Ca
9. TOTW High Prairie - 2.1% Ca
10. TOTW Pacific Stream - 1.9% Ca
11. TOTW Wetlands - 2.1% Ca

[westminsterthree]

I'd like to update the list of high-end GF foods suitable for a LBP that we created last year. Is this still accurate?

1. Acana Pacifica - 1.4-1.5% Ca :: 1.1-1.2% Ph
2. Acana Prairie - 1.3-1.4% Ca :: 1.1-1.2% Ph
3. Dogswell Chicken and Chickpea Recipe - 1.7% Ca : 1.1% Ph (Note: citric acid)
4. Fromm Grain-free Surf and Turf – 1.0% Ca : 0.9% Ph
5. Orijen Adult - 1.4-1.6% Ca :: 1.2-1.4% Ph
6. Orijen LBP - 1.5 - 1.7% Ca :: 1.2 - 1.4% Ph
7. Orijen Regional Red - 1.6 - 1.8% Ca :: 1.4 - 1.6% Ph
8. Orijen 6 Fish - 1.4-1.6% Ca :: 1.2-1.4% Ph
9. TOTW Sierra Mountains - 1.6% Ca

Not Suitable:

1. Acana Grasslands - 2% Ca
2. Canidae Grain-free ALS - 2% Ca
3. Dogswell Lamb and Chickpea Recipe - 2.2% Ca : 1.1% Ph (Note: flaxseed, citric acid)
4. Evo - high Ca
5. Fromm Grain-free Beef Fritata - low proportion of meat, but suitable Ca levels
6. Merrick Before Grain Chicken – 2.1% Ca
7. Merrick Before Grain Buffalo - 2% Ca
8. Merrick Before Grain Salmon - 2% Ca
9. TOTW High Prairie - 2.1% Ca
10. TOTW Pacific Stream - 1.9% Ca
11. TOTW Wetlands - 2.1% Ca

Are you a professional nutritionist? What qualifies you to recommend grain-free foods for large and giant breed puppies? Large breeds should not be fed foods with this much protein or fat. There is no upside to using these foods, except for chatting at the dog park and bragging.

If you have a large or giant breed puppy feed a 25/15 food with very low ash and keep it simple, Chicken/fish and a mix of whole grains. No berries, herbs or novel proteins are needed.

Use a proven food made by people that know dogs, not by people that know marketing.

[bridget246]

Are you a professional nutritionist? What qualifies you to recommend grain-free foods for large and giant breed puppies? Large breeds should not be fed foods with this much protein or fat. There is no upside to using these foods, except for chatting at the dog park and bragging.

If you have a large or giant breed puppy feed a 25/15 foods with very low ash and keep it simple, Chicken and a mix of whole grains.

Personally, I'd leave out the grains. And I believe he/she was asking a question.

[westminsterthree]

Personally, I'd leave out the grains. And I believe he/she was asking a question.

Whole grains are superior to potatoes, beans or tapioca. A mix of whole NON-GMO grains are far more nutritious and better for the puppy than starchy fast digesting potatoes. Don't start with grains and allergies, that is a myth that just wont go away. Study after study after study shows grains as essentially an insignificant source of reaction, with the exception of isolated wheat protein, not whole grain wheat.

[bridget246]

Whole grains are superior to potatoes, beans or tapioca. A mix of whole NON-GMO grains are far more nutritious and better for the puppy than starchy fast digesting potatoes. Don't start with grains and allergies, that is a myth that just wont go away. Study after study after study shows grains as essentially an insignificant source of reaction, with the exception of isolated wheat protein, not whole grain wheat.

Would you be willing to provide us with some professional links to back this up? It sounds like good information.

[meggels]

yaaaaay he's back

[westminsterthree]

Would you be willing to provide us with some professional links to back this up? It sounds like good information.

Sure start with Dr. Susan Wynn, one of the most respected holistic nutritionists in the US:

"Fallacy 4: Grains cause allergies.
Fact: If dogs have the genetic predisposition to develop food allergies, they can become allergic to certain foods. A recent review of 7 studies indicates that dogs are most commonly allergic to the following foods (in descending order): beef, dairy, wheat, egg, chicken, lamb/mutton, soy, pork, rabbit and fish. In cats, the most common allergens are beef, dairy, fish, lamb, poultry and barley/wheat (in equal numbers), egg and rabbit in equal numbers. I will admit that I’ve seen higher numbers of corn allergy than would be suggested by these numbers, as well, but please note that grains do not constitute the majority of allergy offenders."

Then read this. It is a compilation study that found that all the grains combined cause about 10% of allergies.

http://www.raynenutrition.com/upload...s%20Review.pdf

The bottom line is that animal proteins are responsible for allergies.

However, did you know that 90% of atopic conditions have nothing to do with food? So, only 10% are food related.

[bridget246]

yaaaaay he's back

Wait... he was here when I joined! That is him isn't it?! Why does he stalk this forum? It's kind of creepy.

[meggels]

He (or she, but I feel like it's a he), always comes back under new names, and always has the same message, even though he/she is rude and doesn't get anyone to LISTEN to that message because of the way he/she delivers it.....

I think last time he was truthdog?

[westminsterthree]

Would you be willing to provide us with some professional links to back this up? It sounds like good information.

http://www.raynenutrition.com/upload...s%20Review.pdf

All grains combined were responsible for just 10% of allergies, the rest animal proteins.

And from Dr. Susan Wynn, one of the most respected holistic nutritionists in the US:

Fallacy 4: Grains cause allergies.
Fact: If dogs have the genetic predisposition to develop food allergies, they can become allergic to certain foods. A recent review of 7 studies indicates that dogs are most commonly allergic to the following foods (in descending order): beef, dairy, wheat, egg, chicken, lamb/mutton, soy, pork, rabbit and fish. In cats, the most common allergens are beef, dairy, fish, lamb, poultry and barley/wheat (in equal numbers), egg and rabbit in equal numbers. I will admit that I’ve seen higher numbers of corn allergy than would be suggested by these numbers, as well, but please note that grains do not constitute the majority of allergy offenders."

So when someone tells you grains are responsible for allergies, they are flat out lying.

Also, just 10% of atopic conditions are related to food.