Anyone tried Victor Grain Free dog food?

[cavalcadegsmd]

@Scarlet- I don't know enough about the entire situation to make an educated guess. The fact that the "treats and kibble" are involved certainly opens the door to a secondary allergy depending on what was involved in their make up. Weepy eyes point toward atopy (inhaled allergies.) Such things are very hard problems that can be both medically compound or complex- or worse both at the same time.

[Scarlett_O']

@Scarlet- I don't know enough about the entire situation to make an educated guess. The fact that the "treats and kibble" are involved certainly opens the door to a secondary allergy depending on what was involved in their make up. Weepy eyes point toward atopy (inhaled allergies.) Such things are very hard problems that can be both medically compound or complex- or worse both at the same time.

Nope, we are talking about just a cooked single protein, it was winter, and he was an indoor nearly all day other then VERY short walks outside dog

[cavalcadegsmd]

I would also like to point out that I very whole heatedly believe in the power of raw protein. It is a empirically proven fact heat damages protein and other nutrients. All I stated was that it is impossible physiologically speaking for an allergic reaction to a protein to happen when it is cooked and not when it is raw.

[cprcheetah]

I would also like to point out that I very whole heatedly believe in the power of raw protein. It is a empirically proven fact heat damages protein and other nutrients. All I stated was that it is impossible physiologically speaking for an allergic reaction to a protein to happen when it is cooked and not when it is raw.

Well whether or not it's 'physiologically impossible' for it to happen, I know that Zoey is allergic to cooked chicken, but eats raw chicken all the time with out a problem. She got a hold of a chicken cat treat a few weeks ago and broke out in hives.....to me if that's not an allergy, I don't know what is. I know it was the chicken because that is the only ingredient in the treat.

[cavalcadegsmd]

I don't want this to be an antagonized debate.

May I ask what else was in the cat treat that caused the hives other than chicken?

I am also a bit confused. I am assuming Zoey is a she, LOL. I don't know what dog or situation with the "he" that was in winter and only had short walks outside that ScarlettO is referring to. However it is common knowledge indoor air quality usually worse than outdoor quality. It is also well known mold is a common toxin and allergen.

[Scarlett_O']

I don't want this to be an antagonized debate.

May I ask what else was in the cat treat that caused the hives other than chicken?

I am also a bit confused. I am assuming Zoey is a she, LOL. I don't know what dog or situation with the "he" that was in winter and only had short walks outside that ScarlettO is referring to. However it is common knowledge indoor air quality usually worse than outdoor quality. It is also well known mold is a common toxin and allergen.

That is my own situation, Im not talking about Heather's at all.

And nope, clean indoor air(my in-law with asthma was PERFECTLY fine inside,) no mold(very allergic person here, we keep a mold free house because of it!)

IT WAS THE PROTEIN.

[cprcheetah]

I know it was the chicken because that is the only ingredient in the treat.

Read above :-)

[truthdog]

Very interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing.

@cprcheetah- I would like to know more about your comments to beef and chicken. Was this diagnosed by a lab test? Was it a primary or secondary allergy?

@truthdog- I would still like to know more about why you prefer the Victor formulas that have sorghum. Sorghum was a new thing to me in dog food. I spoke with the owner of the company and he told me that he uses primarily because it is easier to get 100% cooked than other forms of grain, and listed a few other reasons that I can't remember. I have not been able to find out much about it from other sources. I would agree about saving novel protein sources until you need them. IMO, I don't see beef, chicken, pork, or eggs as novel protein sources. I numerous sources talk about eggs being the "perfect" food for dogs because off the complete amino profile, and ideal ratio off protein and fat.

It doesn't surprise me a food company in Texas uses Sorghum. Sorghum is a gluten free, dry area grain that is becoming more popular here as a health food. It grows without the need of pesticide and is essentially an "organic" grain. It grows in the deserts of Africa. Nutritionally it is much like rice and corn.

You would be suprised how many pet foods use it. It may be listed under the name 'Milo". When someone wants to make it sound fancy they use the word "Milo".

"Novel" is a relative term. If you use chicken soley, then isn't beef and pork "novel"? Novel doesn't have to mean kangaroo.

Sorghum is just fine is a dog food.

[DaViking]

It doesn't surprise me a food company in Texas uses Sorghum. Sorghum is a gluten free, dry area grain that is becoming more popular here as a health food. It grows without the need of pesticide and is essentially an "organic" grain. It grows in the deserts of Africa. Nutritionally it is much like rice and corn.

You would be suprised how many pet foods use it. It may be listed under the name 'Milo". When someone wants to make it sound fancy they use the word "Milo".

"Novel" is a relative term. If you use chicken soley, then isn't beef and pork "novel"? Novel doesn't have to mean kangaroo.

Sorghum is just fine is a dog food.

Sorghum have been around in dog food for a while and is a wholesome high quality ingredient. I remember seeing sorghum in European (marketed) brands long ago. Don't remember which brands at the moment tho, not that it matters.

[Grunt]

I use 300 pounds a month of the victor lamb and rice for my Danes. They love the food and have never been in better health. I have been very pleased with this food and the cost compared to other foods such as blue buffalo makes it a no brainier. The only problem is it only at the feed stores. The feed store close to my home did not carry it but upon my request they brought it in and it has been a good seller for them.