Making good progress just having major difficulties with stand.

[notilloc]

Hi everyone. I posted on here a couple weeks ago about my at the time very angry puppy. He is doing great now and we haven't had an incident for over a week now. I am having trouble training him though. He is very smart and picks things up very quickly but for some reason I cant get him to stand. He sits and lays down very well but when I try to lure him into stand he just isnt getting it and he keeps siting or laying. He stretches out for it but he won't stand up for it. He is a pretty lazy puppy which is weird to me because he is half boxer and half cattle dog but he should still want to stand for a treat. i don't want to move on to harder tricks until I have the basics down. I tried just giving a little pull on his collar but he really didn't like that so I stopped right away.what else can I do to get him to stand?

[SpooOwner]

Yeah, don't pull on his collar. Try shaping. Wait for him to stand on his own then click (or say "yes") and reward. Note: You may have to "prime" the clicker/"yes" if this is new to you.

Usually you can lure the dog into a stand by holding the treat above and in front of their head, but I'm having trouble explaining this. Darn computer.

[notilloc]

I'm using a clicker and I'm using all natural hot dogs for training. I guess I'm going to have to go back to the basics and work on luring again. Thanks though

[DaneMama]

Luring isn't a strong training tool.

Start reinforcing a "stand" without asking for it in any way, just watch him do it on his own, name it and then reinforce. This is called shaping.

Or you could train a hand touch, which is just where the dog touches the palm of your hand with their nose to earn a treat. Put your hand out and wait for the dog to come sniff it. Even if the dog won't touch your hand you can pay out for just turning in the direction of your hand or sniffing it. Once your dog makes the connection start upping the standard. So eventually you only pay out for fast, eager nose touches to the middle of your palm and nothing but. Then you can use a nose touch to direct the dog to whatever position you wan then in....ie a stand.

[SerenityFL]

Yeah, don't pull on his collar. Try shaping. Wait for him to stand on his own then click (or say "yes") and reward. Note: You may have to "prime" the clicker/"yes" if this is new to you.

Usually you can lure the dog into a stand by holding the treat above and in front of their head, but I'm having trouble explaining this. Darn computer.

Basically holding it in a way that he has to stand up to get it. Above his head high enough and far enough from his face that he can't do it in a sit position, will have to stand.

[notilloc]

Luring isn't a strong training tool.

Start reinforcing a "stand" without asking for it in any way, just watch him do it on his own, name it and then reinforce. This is called shaping.

Or you could train a hand touch, which is just where the dog touches the palm of your hand with their nose to earn a treat. Put your hand out and wait for the dog to come sniff it. Even if the dog won't touch your hand you can pay out for just turning in the direction of your hand or sniffing it. Once your dog makes the connection start upping the standard. So eventually you only pay out for fast, eager nose touches to the middle of your palm and nothing but. Then you can use a nose touch to direct the dog to whatever position you wan then in....ie a stand.

I was planning on hand touch after I got stand but nothing is working so I will work on that and hopefully that will work. I am really surprised how difficult ringo is to train. I had two boxers before and they were smart but not compared to ringo but they picked up on training so much faster than ringo. I realize he is only 3 months old and he will get it eventually but I thought with his intelligence he would really pick things up quickly.

Basically holding it in a way that he has to stand up to get it. Above his head high enough and far enough from his face that he can't do it in a sit position, will have to stand.

when I do that he just gives up and walks away. I have to keep out right in front of him and as soon as he can't stretch any further he just gives up. It's really weird

[DaneMama]

When training with him make sure he's hungry. Use his meals as training treats even. He has to earn every morsel of food....he will learn to work real fast lol

[notilloc]

So if he isn't training he doesn't get to eat?

[bernadettelevis]

i think what natalie meant was taht you shouldn't feed him begore training.
So if you train in the morning, feed him after training or use his food for training ;)

[DaneMama]

Honestly yeah. Tough love....if he won't work for his food he should get free food. He will catch on soon enough. I definitely suggest this if he isn't all that food motivated. Or you can make sure he hasn't had a meal 12 hours prior.