its official. no more kibble for my dogs

[RawFedDogs]

*waits for raw feeders to comment on how they are unnecessary junk food and dogs dont even get nutrients from it* have mercy on me.

Well I can't help it. It's the way dogs are built. They were never designed to digest plant material. I didn't design them so don't fuss at me but they ARE designed to eat meat, bones and organs and nothing else.

[magicre]

the different veggies and fruits have different nutrients. feeding a good variety eliminates the need for supplements.

*waits for raw feeders to comment on how they are unnecessary junk food and dogs dont even get nutrients from it* have mercy on me.

so, for instance, you're adding --- let's say carrots for the vitamin a or beta carotene and maybe blueberries for what, vitamin e and selenium off the top of my head? LOL

i am a raw feeder....so, call me schizoid....

i believe, however, with a cooked diet, it's a whole different ballgame....

the recipe i make for nichi doesn't include fruits...i guess it never occurred to me to include it...since i use berte's immune blend and berte's green blend (full of minerals and such)

but this batch was:
chicken - roasted
beef liver
beef heart
hamburger
sardines (canned in water)
carrots - yellow and orange
broccoli
cauliflower
berte's immune blend
berte's green blend
quinoa
brown rice
chicken hearts
chicken liver

the ratio was about 75% protein to 25% veggies + supplements...

i had figured that carrots had enough sugar...so i would not have thought to add fruit..

[magicre]

Well I can't help it.

well, you could help it...you just choose not to LOL

[DaneMama]

Re- you are 100% correct. Homecooked is a completely different ballgame and cannot even be compared to raw or even kibble. It's a class of it's own. Which is why I cannot provide help or knowledge when it comes to homecooked.

I think it's great that rukusluvr has made the switch over to something better than kibble! Because all that matters in the end is if we have our dogs AND our own best interest in mind

[magicre]

Re- you are 100% correct. Homecooked is a completely different ballgame and cannot even be compared to raw or even kibble. It's a class of it's own. Which is why I cannot provide help or knowledge when it comes to homecooked.

I think it's great that rukusluvr has made the switch over to something better than kibble! Because all that matters in the end is if we have our dogs AND our own best interest in mind

thanks, natalie....if i could put my girl nichi on raw, i would....but she lives with my mother in law who is in her seventies....i know she would do whatever we wanted, but i won't make her do it..and nichi barely has anymore teeth and she is almost 14 years old...

once a month, i make her food....she's perky...nutro won't kill her like it did my other three shih tzus, so there in lies the compromise and i'm happy she will live out the rest of her days eating well...

nothing wrong with home cooking, as you state..but it is a science and it does take researching to make sure everything is given that needs to be given.

not every dog can go raw and not every human wants to.

[RawFedDogs]

well, you could help it...you just choose not to LOL

Hehe, You misunderstood what I can't help. I can't help that dog's bodies are designed to eat and digest meat, bones and organs and they don't have the proper equipment to properly digest plant material. I didn't design dogs nor was I consulted in the process. I don't think I would have changed anything if I had been consulted.

[magicre]

Hehe, You misunderstood what I can't help. I can't help that dog's bodies are designed to eat and digest meat, bones and organs and they don't have the proper equipment to properly digest plant material. I didn't design dogs nor was I consulted in the process. I don't think I would have changed anything if I had been consulted.

hehe...no i didn't misunderstand

[DaneMama]

Hehe, You misunderstood what I can't help. I can't help that dog's bodies are designed to eat and digest meat, bones and organs and they don't have the proper equipment to properly digest plant material. I didn't design dogs nor was I consulted in the process. I don't think I would have changed anything if I had been consulted.

She didn't misunderstand you, you misunderstood her!!!

But you could help from posting up about it...I think most people here know your agenda inside and out. Posting it up when it really isn't needed (since people are allowed to disagree with you) doesn't do any good. Respecting ones wishes not to feed raw is important, even if you don't agree with the choice

[magicre]

Hehe, You misunderstood what I can't help. I can't help that dog's bodies are designed to eat and digest meat, bones and organs and they don't have the proper equipment to properly digest plant material. I didn't design dogs nor was I consulted in the process. I don't think I would have changed anything if I had been consulted.

of course i didn't misunderstand you..nor do i devalue what you're saying.

on the other hand, i have a dog that i'm not going to switch over....and the reason is moot....

perhaps if she lived with me, i would buy her grinds to compensate for the fact that she might have three teeth left...

but she doesn't...

right or wrong in your eyes...okay.

but to ask my mother in law to feed raw and she has a heart condition and is in her seventies...i won't do....

so home cooked, whilst second best, is better than kibble....and that's what nichi is fed....

plants make for great fibre. is there some nutritional value? i think there is...as to grains? i think there is, if the proportions stay at 75 protein sources and 25 everything else in percentage...

i don't cook things to death and i don't grind them to death...but home cooked is a whole different animal....and, as long as she eats..which she was not doing before....then she has a chance to make it to fourteen happily....

i never look forward to my dogs' dying....and i've certainly had my share since 2009 - three so far...fourth one in the wings...fifth one approaching...and you are as soft as i when it comes to our dogs....i've read every single post you've ever written....you love your dogs and you do right by them...

i love my dogs..and do the best i can with each one...and if it means giving a little bone with every meal because malia doesn't tolerate no bone meals? then that's what i shall do...because she doesn't do as well as my younger pug...with fat, like pork and rich foods like organs and rich muscle...or feed home cooked to my nichi? i will do that, too.

so, no i didn't misunderstand....but i won't further debate the finer points of how a dog is created to eat...when circumstances dictate otherwise.

[meggels]

Ruckus, I'd love to hear more about it, and how you figured out how much of what to feed. It's something I'd consider for sure for my frenchie...would have no clue where to start LOL.