Chicken By-Product Meal

[RawFedDogs]

Hehe, you are trying to twist words to suit your own puirposes. By-products are GARBAGE from human food processing plants and are not human quality. There is no such thing as human quality by-products. They are automatically not human quality. By definition they are food that humans don't eat. Liver, gizzards, and heart are NOT by-products.

[claybuster]

Hehe, you are trying to twist words to suit your own puirposes. By-products are GARBAGE from human food processing plants and are not human quality. There is no such thing as human quality by-products. They are automatically not human quality. By definition they are food that humans don't eat. Liver, gizzards, and heart are NOT by-products.

Learn something new every day I suppose... do the billions and billons of Chinese hear this nonsense! Hey, stop eating those heads and feet, RFD says you got it all wrong!

[RawFedDogs]

do the billions and billons of Chinese hear this nonsense! Hey, stop eating those heads and feet, RFD says you got it all wrong!

Yep, thats right. :)

[claybuster]

Here's what Abady would tell you about that yucky by-product stuff (more promotional kind of stuff from Abady). Warning, you won't find this type of info off some of those highly rated kibble websites, those kibbles offering you potatoes, fruits and vegetables. You know, those kibbles masquerading around the foundations of raw meat diets that can fool even the raw feeders by offering fruits and vegetables and potatoes as a carnivore ration.

Clear examples of the public being drawn in by slick advertising are exemplified by the rush toward fresh chicken and turkey-based products, lamb and rice diets and chicken meal-based diets. These diets are claimed to be more nutritious and better for dogs because they do not contain by-products and are more digestible, along with a host of other equally mythical claims

Poultry by-products meal is an economical and nutritious source of high quality animal protein.
It is composed of lungs, heads, gizzards, necks, feet, intestines (without their contents) and other clean parts of the carcass.

It is not true that heads or even feet (which represent only a small component of poultry by-products meal) are undesirable as components of dog food.
While they have little aesthetic appeal to humans, heads contain valuable brain, tongue and ocular tissue, and feet are 20% protein & 16% fat.
Both are rich in various amino acids and fatty acids of the most important varieties.Among these can be found Arginine (essential for fertility and immune system support) Glycine (a potent free-radical scavenger and a component of glucose tolerance factor which regulates insulin metabolism) and Aspartic acid (which helps with the synthesis of glycoprotein and with the detoxification of ammonia).
Feathers are NOT a component of poultry by-products meal, unless it is of very low quality.

Well, if that is not too appealing to some folks, better stick with Sweet Russet Potatoes, Apples, and Cranberries I guess. That seems to be the norm away when it comes to those big name diets even raw feeders would support...maybe because of mythical claims and slick advertising about being biological appropriate and something evolutionary for the modern canines?

[RawFedDogs]

Hehe, go read Purina's or Iam's promotional material and they will give you just a glowing reports of their crappy ingredients and convince you they are the best ingredients around. Of course we all know better. And to set the record straight I don't support any artificial processed food for dogs. I just say some is less bad than others. It is terrible to feed dogs ANY of that crap and that included Abady.

[claybuster]

Hehe, go read Purina's or Iam's promotional material and they will give you just a glowing reports of their crappy ingredients and convince you they are the best ingredients around. Of course we all know better. And to set the record straight I don't support any artificial processed food for dogs. I just say some is less bad than others. It is terrible to feed dogs ANY of that crap and that included Abady.

It's what's NOT included in Abady that makes it the best!

There are a number of dry formulas that masquerade as raw meat-based formulas – some contain ingredients such as: soybeans, beet pulp, tomato pomace, alfalfa, sorghum, oats, peas, beans, potatoes, garlic, and yucca, all of which contain saponins. Because their molecules are large, saponins are not absorbed readily from the digestive organs. Nevertheless, when ingested by dogs at sublethal levels on a regular basis, they will corrode the digestive organs, allowing the saponins to enter the bloodstream as if they were injected.

[claybuster]

I would take a cup of Abady Granular over a cup of Raw any day of the week for my dog. It's twice as powerful. Abady Raw products (also the best in the marketplace) were developed first in the early '70s. Granular was introduced later as a convenient option for those for whatever reason don't want to mess with the raw products. You get the same benefits and safety
in feeding Abady Granular as you do with the Raw. Again, when looking at Abady Raw, just like the Granular, it is what they do NOT contain that makes them the best products. Look at commercial Raw products today at check the ingredients. They seem to have followed the same path as those high end kibbles with an omnivore direction. You find Raw products with Oats, Peas, and a whole host of other species inappropriate ingredients. Just like the Granulars, you won't that stuff in Abady Raw.

[RawFedDogs]

I would take a cup of Abady Granular over a cup of Raw any day of the week for my dog. It's twice as powerful. Abady Raw products (also the best in the marketplace) were developed first in the early '70s. Granular was introduced later as a convenient option for those for whatever reason don't want to mess with the raw products.

Hehe, you have fallen for their marketing hype hook line and sinker. They LOVE people like you.

You get the same benefits and safety in feeding Abady Granular as you do with the Raw.

Thats just absolutely not true. There is no time, no where, no how that processed garbage from human processing plants is ever nearly as good a quality as natural raw food. Never, every, in any way.

Again, when looking at Abady Raw, just like the Granular, it is what they do NOT contain that makes them the best products. Look at commercial Raw products today at check the ingredients. They seem to have followed the same path as those high end kibbles with an omnivore direction. You find Raw products with Oats, Peas, and a whole host of other species inappropriate ingredients. Just like the Granulars, you won't that stuff in Abady Raw.

You are correct when talking about COMMERCIAL raw products. Many of them are nothing more than raw kibble. We agree on that. I'm not talking aboaut commercial raw. I never feed that. I feed whole raw animal parts. Period. Nothing else. I don't think that the Abady commercial raw products are any better than the others. I don't think that has ever been proven other than by marketing hype.

[claybuster]

Thats just absolutely not true. There is no time, no where, no how that processed garbage from human processing plants is ever nearly as good a quality as natural raw food. Never, every, in any way.

Yes way! Take what you feed (hormone and steroid injected), animal parts from commercial food sources, put it in a blender, and you still get around 400 cals per cup. You would need at least 2 cups of raw to match one cup of what I'm feeding.

If you think about it, the animal parts that you get are just the human refuse slop parts that nobody wants to eat anyway. If there wasn't a raw feeders market, they would just throw those garbage parts out! If you can't be in control of your own meat source, then you're no better off as before due the fact you don't know what has been in that animal (steroids, hormones, drugs). Considering those possibilities, probably better off with a biological appropriate kibble like Orijen or the next best thing to raw like EVO.

[RawFedDogs]

Yes way! Take what you feed (hormone and steroid injected), animal parts from commercial food sources, put it in a blender, and you still get around 400 cals per cup. You would need at least 2 cups of raw to match one cup of what I'm feeding.

You REALLY need to do some research. NO and I mean NO chicken parts are hormone or steroid injected, fed, drank or in any other way introduced into the body of a chicken headed for the human food market.

If you think about it, the animal parts that you get are just the human refuse slop parts that nobody wants to eat anyway.

The animal parts I feed come directly from the grocery store. They are human food. Except for deer meat, I buy ALL my animal parts from the grocery store or a wholesaler who sells directly to grocery stores. It is definately human quality food. They are from the human food market.

If there wasn't a raw feeders market, they would just throw those garbage parts out!

I thought you knew just a little bit about this but there is no "raw feeders market". Most every raw feeder I know buys directly from grocers or grocery wholesalers. A very few buy directly from farmers but not many. I don't have a clue what "garbage parts" you think we feed.

If you can't be in control of your own meat source, then you're no better off as before due the fact you don't know what has been in that animal (steroids, hormones, drugs).

I am in as much conatrol of my animal's meat sources and I am my own meat sources as the meat comes from the same place. I often take food out of the dog's food to feed myself. Its the same stuff you eat. No drugs, steroids, or hormones in any poultry sold in grocery stores in the USA. I'm not sure about beef and pork but I don't feed a lot of either of those. I know the deer meat I feed are free of chemicals.

Considering those possibilities, probably better off with a biological appropriate kibble like Orijen or the next best thing to raw like EVO.

There is no such thing as a biological appropriate kibble but Orijen and EVO are the closest. The only biological appropriate food for our dogs is raw meat, bones, and organs. Nothing else is needed nor is anything else fed to my dogs. They do get by-products too but only in the normal porportion.

You really need to learn some of this stuff.