Confused! Please help! *FOOD*

[CorgiPaws]

No, I'm not saying that "lots of food is processed so it can't be that bad.". First, you in fact eat very little unprocessed food (only some veggies and fruits), and second there are several processing operations, and they are not all bad. It seems that you have a very narrow image of what "processing" is ....

Fair enough, although you have no idea WHAT my diet is, I'll ignore that little bit of self righteous ignorance there.


I'd think it's fair to say that kibble is HIGHLY AND OVERLY processed. Much moreso than freezing fresh meat, or cooking a potato. Not only that, but it is often times made in highly unsanitary conditions, not regulated, and does not have many laws or rules to protect the quality of it.

But then again the mere fact that kibble is geared toward omnivore nutrition is plain silly to me. It makes about as much sense as feeding a rabbit prime rib.

[spookychick13]

No, I'm not saying that "lots of food is processed so it can't be that bad.". First, you in fact eat very little unprocessed food (only some veggies and fruits), and second there are several processing operations, and they are not all bad. It seems that you have a very narrow image of what "processing" is ....

I guess some of us are 'annoying' but quite frankly, I don't give a flying leap what you feed your dog. I'm not going to push raw on anyone, if they are happy with how their dogs look, more power to them. Like I've said before, a large number of the dogs that come in to my clinic are obese and have horrible teeth and often end up diabetic. If people are happy with their dogs in that state, so be it. Ignorance is bliss, and if they want to keep shelling out money to vets and insisting they know what is best when their pets are in miserable shape, trying to tell them otherwise is like clapping with one hand.

I have to wonder though, did you just come here to try to stir up a 'debate'?

[RawFedDogs]

Try, they will love them for sure.

Of course they will. They are full of sugar. All animals love the taste of sugar. It doesn't mean it's good for them.

Yeah, yeah, but what I said was that I'd like to see you eating only unprocessed food. Life would be soooooooo boring, wouldn't it? No bread, no bottled milk, no butter, no breakfast cereals, no sugar, no coffee, no beer, no meat roll, no scrambled eggs, no nothing

And I'd be much healthier for it.

Well, you have dogs and cats at your house, you can start there.

I've looked and see no difference, please point out the differences.

This was funny What is there to discuss if everything other than meat, bones and organs (excuse me, but I was including them in the meat ...) is unnatural bla bla bla?

Thats exactly the reason we need to discuss.

[RawFedDogs]

I have to wonder though, did you just come here to try to stir up a 'debate'?

Of course thats the case. But that's good. We need the pot stirred every once in a while. It adds excitement. Particularly from someone this easy. I have a feeling it's a ficticious personality of someone from the past.

[DaneMama]

Of course thats the case. But that's good. We need the pot stirred every once in a while. It adds excitement. Particularly from someone this easy. I have a feeling it's a ficticious personality of someone from the past.

I was thinking the same thing. The fact that he (?) won't give me an answer to any of my questions raises a HUGE red flage that says "Look at me, look at me!!!"

Quite entertaining really.

[BlueKnight]

And the Brotherhood of the Offal is reunited. Soooo typical :-)

No, I'm not who you think, I'm just someone that has come here now and then for some time now and know what your modus operandi is. You beat all discordant voices by tiring them (teeth, bla bla bla, wolves bla bla bla, unnatural bla bla bla). Really, I'd like to know why you don't stay at your raw forum and leave the others alone or simply shut them down. Is it that feel compeled to convert more and more people to your religion (praise the bone!)? ... Don't bother answering as I won't bother to read it ;-)

[JayJayisme]

Sorry BlueKnight but you're simply in the wrong place. This is NOT the "Dry and Canned Dog Food", i.e. "Kibble" forum. It is the "Dog Food Ingredients" forum, which is a perfectly acceptable place to debate the merits of diet ingredients for dogs and whether those ingredients are suitable for carnivores, or whatever you think your dog is.

If you don't want people debating carnivore or raw meat issues with you, stay on the kibble forum where the raw feeders here have pretty much agreed that pushing the raw agenda is a no-no. We respect that, but THIS forum is for healthy debates on ALL dog food ingredients, including raw meat.

All that being said, it's clear from your posts that you've never fed raw. If you had, you would have a more open mind about the merits of a raw meaty bone diet. You would have experienced the natural beauty of a dog eating the meal nature intended it to eat. It's an amazing sight when your cute little pet takes a piece of raw meat and knows EXACTLY what to do with it as his/her eating instincts take over. It doesn't matter if it's a Pomeranian, a Poodle, or a Pit Bull. It's a symbiotic relationship between your dog and nature that kibble feeders never get to witness. Once you see just that, even before all the health benefits start to appear, you will realize there is more to this raw feeding thing than you think. It's impossible to put it into words, or quantify it with numbers, or back it up with scientific statistics. But that doesn't diminish it's natural beauty and significance.

As they say, "the proof is in the pudding" and whenever I read such argumentative posts regarding raw, and none the arguments are based on experience, but rather from information you read on the Internet, it's clear that you do not have the wealth of experience that many others have and are willing to share here. Remember that nearly all raw feeders at one time or another fed commercial food to their dogs. We have seen both sides of the coin, as opposed to most kibble-feeders who know nothing else.

Nearly everyone who has "taken the plunge" and started feeding the RMB diet to their dogs has nothing but positive things to say about it. Everyone was probably skeptical in the beginning but the difference between you and us raw meaty bone (and organ) feeders, is that we looked past our prejudices to, and/or concerns with this diet concept and went ahead and tried it simply in the interest of our dogs' health.

Sadly, your dogs will probably never get to experience the benefits of such an ideal diet because of your myopic view and lack of willingness to give it a try. But you keep believing your whatever you want, and ignore the advice and experience of those who have tried many different diets for their dogs. It's your dogs who will pay the price, not any of us.

[DaneMama]

Once again, Jay knows exactly what to say. You are always so good at putting to words how we all feel but can't figure out how to get it out. At least for me. Bravo!!!

[BlueKnight]

Hi gang, after all I found a little time to come over again

Yes this is the ingredient Forum but I don't think that it is meant to discuss the merits of liver or kidney in the diet. All ingredients that I can think of that have a place here may be grouped in what you call "plant material". Since the modus operandi if all of you is, after 2 or 3 posts, to come with the same old tiring talk of teeth, carnivores, wolves, nature and the rest, there's no place to discuss anything. And the proof is that there's no one single post in this forum where a real discussion takes place, and all because of you barfers or rawers or whatever.

No, I have never tried Raw or Barf or whatever and frankly I don't want to try. I find it stupid and a waste of resources to use protein to cover energy needs, that is what happens in your "natural" diets. Besides, I know of people who have tried Raw or Barf or whatever and didn't saw any measurable differences and, given all the trouble and expense of this kind of feeding, have returned to kibble. So, it's not true when you say that ALL people that have tried that return to nature (whatever that means, since dogs have been living with men for several thousands years now ...) can only praise that kind of feeding. I even know dogs that won't eat raw meat, they will refuse anything that is not cooked. So there is not ONE single truth, as you claim, but many truths. If you are happy with your truth, stick to it. I'm happy with my truth and I too stick to it. And it's very annoying being systematically bombarded with arguments that don't come from science but from beliefs and being considered a moron that has to be schooled to be able to see the light (aleluiah, praise the bone!).

So, enjoy talking to each other (by the way, have you noticed that, also as usual, the initial poster has disappeared? ...)

[Jester]

So, enjoy talking to each other (by the way, have you noticed that, also as usual, the initial poster has disappeared? ...)

I haven't disappeared, I just have other things going on in life. You seem like you're just trolling and I wish you weren't in my thread. I take this stuff seriously and although I haven't had the time to respond yet, I do read all the posts.