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    i have heard that commercial chicken feed is very E heavy. and that it is possible even if your dog food does not have fish, there is enough E in the chickens from eating the E heavy chicken food... your dog food might contain E.

    i dont know how accurate this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny & Maggie's Mom View Post
    Ethoxyquin is only used to preserve fish MEALS ( not whole fish, so a food having salmon or herring or trout is fine...... salmon meal, herring meal, etc could be preserved with E.) All Diamond products with fish meal do contain ethoxyquin. The loophole they have is that manufacturers don't have to disclose if their SUPPLIERS use ethoxyquin, only if they add it themselves. All Natura, Fromm, Champion, Petcurean products are ethoxyquin free.
    i honestly am not hugely concerned about the ethoxyquin content in my dog's canidae grain free. this is for 2 reasons. the first reason is that taste of the wild claims that the cooking process eliminates most of the ethox. to less than .05 percent or something. i assume candiae uses the same cooking process since they are a lso made by diamonds facility.

    my second reason for not being super concerned, is that canidae grain frees barely has any fish meal in it. ocean fish meal is the last meat ingredient in the food it is the 8th ingredien i nthe food.

    i am confident that this as well as the fact it is cooked to kill it odd, will ensure that the ethoxyquin levels arent too much of a concern for shanes health!

    what i am more concerned of is that potatoes are the 4th
    Chicken meal, turkey meal, lamb, potatoes, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), lamb meal, ocean fish meal, tomato pomace,

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    Not quite ethoxyquin free.

    Champion’s Ethoxyquin standard is set at true trace level, not to exceed 5 ppm (parts per million) of Ethoxyquin, which is 0.0005%, or one half of one thousandth of 1% – the lower limit of what most certified laboratories are able to detect or measure.
    Champion Petfoods | F.A.Q
    Last edited by Foodie; 04-25-2010 at 05:32 PM.

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    Wellness states that they have the special permit so their suppliers are not putting E in their foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruckusluvr View Post
    i have heard that commercial chicken feed is very E heavy. and that it is possible even if your dog food does not have fish, there is enough E in the chickens from eating the E heavy chicken food... your dog food might contain E.

    i dont know how accurate this is.
    see what i mean? if it's not one thing it's the other!!!!
    i don't view etho as a big problem because anything in excess is harmful and i would just go crazy analyzing and having a PERFECT dog food.

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    Personally, I think that you should look for a dog food that doesn't have any chemicals in it, and if you can't find it, feed raw. Those things can be and area big deal for both humans and animals. There have been numerous times when certain porducts were considered safe in moderation and didn't turned out to be, and the standard is actually pretty low. You can eat pretty much anything in moderation (even posions, actually) and not die right away, but it doesn't make it acceptable to put in food.

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    i would definitely go homemade/raw but for other reasons like dog food being around for only 60 years and it being only for MONEY.

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    It is only used in fish meal and is used in some human spices......

    I did a huge study on this and the problem is the US Coast Guard requires it's use if the meal is ""made at sea"". Manufactures can get a specil permit but it cost money....Here is what I found.

    Canadian manufactures are not bound by that law and Champion foods(Orijen & Acana), Horizon/Horizon Legacy and Petcurean (Go,Now and Smmit) DO NOT USE IT nor do their supplies.

    American manufactures Wellness and Artemis have the special permits.

    Every other dog food manufacture in America that has fish meal in it most likely has been preserved by the big bad E by their suppliers. I emailed every decent dog food manufacture and I certainly got a lot of BS.

    Nature's Variety says their fish meal is frozen by their suppliers.

    Merrick, Breeders Choice, Timberwolf, Nature's Logic and Fromm all stated that they did not buy from suppliers that did use it.These were the only companies who stated that their suppliers did not use it.

    Naturapet, (Evo, Innova, California Natural, Health Wise and Karma) states it loud and clear on their web site, that they do not buy from suppliers who use it. But P & G bought this company so I know this company well change that, because it is a added cost to the manufacturing process.

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    Here is the answer of the Premium Edge about the fish meal. I asked them yesterday.


    Dear Laurie:

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    The fish meal that is used in Premium Edge is preserved naturally, both prior to and after entering port. All of the fish meal is preserved with mixed tocopherols (vitamin E).


    Sincerely,

    Melissa Brookshire, DVM

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