backed by scientific study??

[CorgiPaws]

I'm glad everyone has their opinion. Honestly though I kind of feel like this forum is just all about people using raw diets trying to get others to convert.Not what I expected.. Especially in the dry and canned dog food section. But thanks for the feedback. Sorry I even asked a question

I'm sorry you feel this way. We try very hard to make this a well rounded forum, but we don't have that many member active on a daily, or even often basis, and raw feeders make up a good portion ofthose of us who are here a lot. (maybe too much)
Kibble and canned questions are of course more than welcome, and even the raw feeders will chime in and try to give the best advice ever within your specifications. No one is trying to get anyone to convert.

I will say that I don't feel this thread has been hijacked by raw feeding in the slightest though, because wolves in the wild was brought up to support grain inclusive kibble diets. Here:

There is one thing I find interesting with the whole no grains thing though. So many people say they base that feeding on the fact that wolves eat only meat and that they never eat grains. But when you think about it, the prey that they catch and eat, a lot of them do eat grains and if a wolf will eat the whole animal, then whatever is in that animals system and organs would have those grains in them.

I used a thread already posted (so as to not retype everything) with images to show the statements in the above quote are inaccurate, and gave support to show otherwise. I wasn't trying to push raw on anyone, by any means, just responding to an assumption made about what dogs do and do not eat in the wild, relating it to what ingredients are and are not appropriate.

ETA: That being said, this thread has nothing to do with kibble only or raw only. It just asks if "what you feed" is backed by scientific study. I think it would be more appropriate maybe in general dog discussion, or the way the conversation went, maybe even ingredients.

[dogtrainer1507]

I understand people having their own opinions and I'm fine with that I just wasn't expecting to be bombarded like that. I even stated I wasn't accusing anyone just wanting to know. I say if your fine with raw good for you. But like everything else some people have issues with that two. I don't beleive there is one strict this is the only way to feed your dog. I think dogs are different just like people are all different and may need different things. I really like meat myself to eat but that doesn't mean I don't like other things or eat other things either. I wasn't saying that my food was the best or anything. I was just curious if people care or are interested in what the scienc says that was all.

[harrkim120]

I was just curious if people care or are interested in what the scienc says that was all.

I was kind of interested too. That's why I asked if anyone had blood work information on ANY feeding program.

By the way...I'm still interested if anyone has any.

[dogtrainer1507]

Thank you you give your opinion but in a nice way! What company r u with for dog training or do you do it on your own. Probably in the wrong section too.

[dogtrainer1507]

I wish there were more studies on this subject by people other then the companies that make the foods or create the certain form of feeding but there aren't

[ruckusluvr]

i have been here a while now. not one time has anyone tried to "convert" me.

[DaneMama]

I was kind of interested too. That's why I asked if anyone had blood work information on ANY feeding program.

By the way...I'm still interested if anyone has any.

I am going to see if I can still get the electronic lab results on my dogs bloodwork, and if I can I will post it up. If not I will do more bloodwork here in the near future and when I do I will post that up.

I wish I had before and after photos of my dogs teeth when I made the switch...because there was a huge difference. Bright and shiny white now!

I wish there were more studies on this subject by people other then the companies that make the foods or create the certain form of feeding but there aren't

You and me both. It would have to be a well rounded study comparing all the different diets out there so as to get accurate results. We just need to find someone with a few extra hundred thousand dollars lying around, a huge facility we can use and lots and lots of trials dogs. I have thought about trying to do just a case history trial study in the works but that would take a ton of time and energy that I don't have LOL!

I'm sorry if we bombarded you, that certainly wasn't any of our intents or at least mine. I am just guilty of being too passionate about it I guess

I want to welcome you to the forum because everyone is welcome here! I hope that you will continue to post here despite your rather eventful first thread!

[RawFedDogs]

There is one thing I find interesting with the whole no grains thing though. So many people say they base that feeding on the fact that wolves eat only meat and that they never eat grains. But when you think about it, the prey that they catch and eat, a lot of them do eat grains and if a wolf will eat the whole animal, then whatever is in that animals system and organs would have those grains in them. I don't know just my thought on that whole subject. And I'm sure someone will jump on me for that comment too.

Wolves do eat animals who eat grains. Thats how they get their nutrition. They are incapable because of the way their bodies are built to extract nutrients from grains, hence they don't eat them. There are no nutrients in grain that is not in the bodies of the prey animals that eat them. Thats the way carnivores work.

Why do so many of your posts end with something like "I'm sure someone will jump on me for ....."? People will comment on your posts regardless of what you say. Thats what a discussion forum is for.

[RawFedDogs]

I don't beleive there is one strict this is the only way to feed your dog. I think dogs are different just like people are all different and may need different things.

People are omnivores and need a great variety of food. Dogs are carnivores and need only meat, bones, and organs. Nothing more. Those items contain all the nutrients needed by a dog.

I was just curious if people care or are interested in what the scienc says that was all.

Many many studies say that wolves in the wild eat only meat, bones, and organs. Thats all I need to know. Have you asked the people at Life's Abundance if dogs truly need rice or oat groats in their diet and why? Their food is moslty rice and oat groats. Neither is anything a dog would eat in the wild.

[harrkim120]

Thank you you give your opinion but in a nice way! What company r u with for dog training or do you do it on your own. Probably in the wrong section too.

Haha...no problem. I'm used to having to tell people that their food sucks. j/k

I currently work for Petsmart in Davenport, FL. I used to work with a regular training school up in Rhode Island, but I moved down to Florida about 2 years ago.

How about you?