backed by scientific study??

[nykea]

Hm, I just realised that this topic is in food ingredients and my previous posts are only slightly related to the subject. Can I please ask for them to be moved to appropriate section?

[Celt]

A book I use is Dogs All In One for Dummies. It isn't a scientific study but it does explain what a dog needs in its diet in a very basic, simple way (which as a kinder teacher-basic and simple is good). Now it says that dogs need carbs (which many argue against but <shrug> others argue for). But when it talks about protein sources, the book states theat there are protein sources that are considered complete because they provide all the essential amino acids that a dog needs to be healthy and incomplete sources they are missing some of these essential amino acids. A quote from the book: Your dog can get protein from both animal and plant sources. But only animal source proteins are complete protein sources, and not all of them are complete (me--which is why vareity is neccessary). Examples of complete protein sources that come from animals are eggs, whole meilk, and lean meats. Grains are another important source of protein in dog foods, but they are imcomplete protein sources because they don't contain some of the essentail amino acids your dog needs. Plant proteins sources frequently used in dog foods include sooybeans wheat, and corn. Your dog's major source of protein should be animal product's, not grain.Don't buy dog food in which soybean meal, soy flour, or corngluten meal is the primary or even the secondary, source of protein <skip reference to another chapter> Dogs don't have the enzymes to use grains properly as main sources of protein.. It later states that simple carbs are better to feed because they are the easiest for your dog to digest if properly cooked and is added to dog food to make it more palatable. The book's stance on carbs, is that they are needed to give dogs a readily available (me-"preprocessed") form of glucose which is needed to maintain high energy levels, but they should only be used after proteins and fats to make up a food.
As I said it is very basic, but it was what help me really "see" what a dog needs and why. Not that I agree with everything in the book, but I did find it helpful. Well that's my 2 cents worth. (all the underlining, etc was done by me).

[magicre]

well, i´ve got no study, but got my personal experience.

i´ve got 3 dogs - two 4-month Campeiro Bulldogs (Aggro and Hannya) anda a 12 yrs beagle (zouki).

zouki has been suffering w demodecic mange for over 8 yrs - poor thing was always with a rash, shedding and stinking like hell.

she would be on antibiotics and irvectin every other month (actually is a miracles shes still around).

since I statarted raw, guess what?

no more shedding, no more rash, no more smelling, skin, ears and eyes infection are history.

you know, it was not seeing my dogs healthy what changed my mind about raw.

it is seeing zouki not sick anymore.

objective finding, that which you see, hear, smell, and can touch and multiply those same objective findings IS a scientific study.

[dustinshaw98]

I'm new and just reading some of the threads and peoples opinions and ways that people feed their dogs. What I am interested to know is if any of you have seen actual scientific studies on these or your just internet surfing and seeing what other people have to say? Not accusing anyone, I was just curious.

If you check the profiles for the AAFCO, they're not reproducible; that means what they post as the nutritional needs of dogs are NOT scientific conjectures. Plus, the digestive tract of domestic dogs are exactly the same as that of wolves, their counterparts in the wild.

I've been raw-feeding my dogs for years, and they don't smell, don't get sick. My neighbor's dog is kibble-fed. The dog has halitosis. None of my dog has bad breath. That's proof enough for me that plant-based foods are not something that's good for dogs.

[SubMariner]

If you check the profiles for the AAFCO, they're not reproducible; that means what they post as the nutritional needs of dogs are NOT scientific conjectures. Plus, the digestive tract of domestic dogs are exactly the same as that of wolves, their counterparts in the wild.

I've been raw-feeding my dogs for years, and they don't smell, don't get sick. My neighbor's dog is kibble-fed. The dog has halitosis. None of my dog has bad breath. That's proof enough for me that plant-based foods are not something that's good for dogs.

You do realize that you are guilty of what you are claiming of others: conjecture without scientific proof?

Without an actual study, you have no way of knowing or illustrating why "The dog has halitosis"... other than an unsubstantiated hypothesis.

[ROJOR1979]

This is exactly the place that i've come to....it just makes sense...

[xchairity_casex]

I wish there were more studies on this subject by people other then the companies that make the foods or create the certain form of feeding but there aren't

really i think this site is the best y\human study your going to find lots of mebers feeding differnt diets to differnt dogs with differnt health needs (puppies,seniors,big dogs,little dogs ect)
all you need to do is ASK the RIGHT questions
perhapes instead of asking "is your dogs food backed by a study?"
maybe try asking "which food does YOUR dog do best on?"
or maybe "what food would you reccomend and which would you NOT reccomend and why?"
or maybe
"good and bad opinions on diets,brands ect"
and basically tally up the votes find out whos dogs do well on which diet and why
and dont just stick with this site for all the answers go around to differnt dog sites and ask the saem questions and tally up how many people ahve bad experiences with raw,kibble,canned,and homecooked diets
then tally up how many people have good results with all the same foods heck you can even add up good and bad with specific brands if you want!
would be an intrestign result

heck i might even try this myself and see what the results are cause im curious now myself!

[xchairity_casex]

dang i mistyped alot...SORRY but im too lazy to to fix it