Carbs for Dogs

[magicre]

I never said YOU were holier than thou. I never said anyone specifically, so please do not take it personal.

I think sometimes people who feed raw get a little TOO passionate and scare away people or insult them because like someone else said, they are made to feel inferior.

I feed raw. To one dog that is. I feed kibble to another, so maybe it's easy for me to see both sides.

maybe you do. but when you wanted to switch one of your dogs, all of us came running to help you out. not one person said, well, if you're switching one, why not switch them all....or maybe someone did and you explained that you could not afford it for the others and if i recall,

everyone concentrated on the dog you had. no one condemned or judged you....we just gathered to help you.


and i'm sorry if people don't like their method of feeding challenged.

these are our dogs. we try to do best by them. and, in my life i've never seen so much resistance to what might be the best way.

i can't tell you how many forums i visit and it's the same oh same oh sensitive tummy, picky eater, yeast infections, goobers, allergies, etc. etc. etc. only to be cured miraculously when the dog is put on a raw diet of some sort, be it whole, prey or even barf....

so yeah, i do take it personally.....and i bet a few others do too..

meggels, maybe you didn't mean me, per se.....it's just a shame that every time this happens, someone, whether it's you or someone else, has to comment on how holier than thou we all are....when that just isn't the case....

just because we know we are right doesn't mean we are holier than thou.

[Liz]

I did not post to bash anyones methods. Someone stated carbs were necessary - fact is they are not. You should feed your dog whatever keeps him the healthiest and fittest, as well as happiest. After feeding innumerable kibbles, home cooking and now raw - raw is the one for us. It takes some time and commitment. My dogs would be okay on good kibble but not the same as they are now. The main point is not to try to convince people that dogs need carbs - that is just not true. Feed kibble and be okay with that - I have no problem with what others feed their dogs, that is their responsibility and they have to live with their decision. Research and know what you are feeding, we did and no matter what anyone says I am comfortable with raw and my dogs are doing extremely well.

[meggels]

maybe you do. but when you wanted to switch one of your dogs, all of us came running to help you out. not one person said, well, if you're switching one, why not switch them all....or maybe someone did and you explained that you could not afford it for the others and if i recall,

everyone concentrated on the dog you had. no one condemned or judged you....we just gathered to help you.


and i'm sorry if people don't like their method of feeding challenged.

these are our dogs. we try to do best by them. and, in my life i've never seen so much resistance to what might be the best way.

i can't tell you how many forums i visit and it's the same oh same oh sensitive tummy, picky eater, yeast infections, goobers, allergies, etc. etc. etc. only to be cured miraculously when the dog is put on a raw diet of some sort, be it whole, prey or even barf....

so yeah, i do take it personally.....and i bet a few others do too..

meggels, maybe you didn't mean me, per se.....it's just a shame that every time this happens, someone, whether it's you or someone else, has to comment on how holier than thou we all are....when that just isn't the case....

just because we know we are right doesn't mean we are holier than thou.

Even when people feed premade, even if it's vital essentials with no veggies/fruit/carbs, they are still given a hard time. I think people that feed premade, and higher quality kibble, are made to feel like it's never "good enough".

I'm just giving you my honest opinion. I appreciate how helpful people are on these boards, I've never seen such a passion on anything HELP so many people, but I think in the same token, sometimes that abundance of passion can hurt people's feelings if it's people coming on too strong or bashing kibble.




I'm going to shut my mouth now. I'm very stressed the past few days, am not making enough money to pay my bills, and found an online job posting today for my exact job at my company so apparently will be getting replaced soon. I'm very very grouchy and sensitive :( Sorry guys.

[xellil]

I'm going to shut my mouth now. I'm very stressed the past few days, am not making enough money to pay my bills, and found an online job posting today for my exact job at my company so apparently will be getting replaced soon. I'm very very grouchy and sensitive :( Sorry guys.

I'm so sorry - but don't assume you are being replaced, maybe they are adding a position. I think that's pretty crappy if they are posting your position and not telling you - you don't want to work for them anyway if that's the case. There are more classy places to work.

[baggie]

I kind of agree with everyone in this thread. Common sense would tell one that a balanced raw food diet, all else being equal, closely resembling wolves' natural diet would be ideal. However, things aren't always equal. Common sense also tells us that unnatural inter/intra breeding undoubtedly creates complications not found in the wild. And if they were, natural selection would insure this trait would not persist. Advancements in understanding, medicine, science, etc. allow many 'undesirable' traits to persist today.

[Liz]

I am sorry for your troubles Meggels, everything is still so hard in this ecomony. I think everyone is more touchy. It may be me but I didn't feel bad when feeding kibble no matter what others said or when I home cooked or now that I feed raw. I think you should be confident and happy in your decision and if you change your mind later on great if not at least be comfortable with your choices. It sounds like there are a lot of other variables in your life that could be making this a hot issue. I go to a forum for naturopathic health care for dogs and wow, they are hard core on everything. I get the information I need because they really know their stuff and they have a right to get indignant when people come on and sya silly innaccuracies. his board is really easy going - especially when comapred to others out there. I hope things look up for you at work or you find a better job.

[CorgiPaws]

This is from a species that has existed for thousands of years: they don't need carbs.

Period.
The end.

[meggels]

I'm so sorry - but don't assume you are being replaced, maybe they are adding a position. I think that's pretty crappy if they are posting your position and not telling you - you don't want to work for them anyway if that's the case. There are more classy places to work.

It's only me and the boss/owner....and there are many times where I'm left with not enough to do, so I don't think he's adding on.


I've only been there 1.5 months and I have that typical 3 month probation period. We had "personality training" a few weeks ago because he told me I wasn't friendly or welcoming enough on the phone and was turning customers off (I guess he had complaints? Really caught me off guard, I thought I was doing okay)....His wife did "personality training" with us (mostly me) and I thought things were improving....but hes away today and tomorrow and I was going to turn on the fan on his desk and saw some resumes with his writing on them....did a craigslist search, and found my position posted on 9/15.


I had a bad feeling in my gut for the past week or so...guess I was right. I'm beginning to apply to more places but it's very frustrating. Esp when I have $1700 a month in various bills/living expenses that need to be paid!

[xellil]

I'm so sorry - I found out in July that my job is being eliminated in December so I'll be jobless soon. It's a scary feeling.

I will keep my fingers crossed that you get a great job that you love and not a boss that posts for your replacement without telling you. That is just plain sorry.

[cprcheetah]

They are called Carnivores for a reason....not Carbivores, Herbivores, Cornivores, Riceavores etc. End of story! I know for my dogs they actually thrive and are healthier without carbs in their diet than they EVER were with carbs in their diet.