Carbs for Dogs

[magicre]

as a passionate believer in prey model raw feeding, i am not holier than thou.

i say that because i have fed kibble, i've home cooked for my dogs.

i've been where people who feed kibble are.

i am in a place where people who feed kibble are not. and until they are in the place i am standing, i don't think i should be considered holier than thou when i think i've found the holy grail of dog feeding.

it's hard not to be passionate. but it's an insult to be called holier than thou.

i won't apologise for the way i think and speak. and it's really a shame that people who don't see what i see.....it's truly a shame they don't climb the mountain. the view is awesome.

i truly believe i have the answer.....and the dog is living proof...

[MollyWoppy]

I think it's a great concept, don't get me wrong. I guess what I have a problem with lately is the holier than thou attitude when it comes to pmr feeding. I think many dogs can thrive (not just survive) on high quality kibbles. I just think sometimes there's an overwhelming attitude of life or death when it comes to raw vs kibble....

Personal feelings regarding raw aside, I do tend to agree with you. I just get a tad sad lately when I see people who have been here a long time and have been fun and valuable members packing up their bags and leaving in droves.
I mean, it's not like they are feeding Ol Roy or crap foods, these people are great owners and they research and believe in the high quality kibbles they feed, but they are still made to feel like inferior owners.

[DaViking]

I think it's a great concept, don't get me wrong. I guess what I have a problem with lately is the holier than thou attitude when it comes to pmr feeding. I think many dogs can thrive (not just survive) on high quality kibbles. I just think sometimes there's an overwhelming attitude of life or death when it comes to raw vs kibble....

Agree with this. Combine a high quality kibble with high quality ingredients with love, respect and meaningful activity and you have the base for a thriving dog.

[Unosmom]

My only true dislike is people who adamantly believe that dogs NEED carbs to survive, which isnt true. Dogs can get some nutrition from carbs once its processed and chances are, it wont kill your dog, but they wont be getting that much out of it to begin with. I'm not a hypocrite, I still feed my dog half kibble/canned, granted its grain free, but not starch free which isnt that much better then grain. Its kind of impossible for kibble to be entirely carb free due to the way its processed. If I could get rid of potatoes, I would, but its just not feasible at this point. So I'm doing the best I can and my dog is pretty darn healthy.

I also agree with the previous poster that you have to take it case by case, dogs are so heavily inbred that many come with congential issues that arent present in wolves and need special considerations.

[tem_sat]

Agree with this. Combine a high quality kibble with high quality ingredients with love, respect and meaningful activity and you have the base for a thriving dog.

To be completely honest with you, your above statement would be fine if only said "high quality kibble" would keep my Doxie from needing dentals on a consistent basis. 50-50 Acana + RMB's + daily brushing didn't work either. My original reason for feeding PMR was certainly not for anything as highbrow as "thriving", it was to avoid the dang dentals. Plain and simple.

[DaViking]

I mean, it's not like they are feeding Ol Roy or crap foods, these people are great owners and they research and believe in the high quality kibbles they feed, but they are still made to feel like inferior owners.

Why is that? From my own experience and my own circles of owners of working dogs and search and rescue dogs the majority ends up with a high quality kibble after trying raw. This is not ppl who judge on the basis of a gut feeling or a few weeks or months of observation. This is owners who rely on peak performance and a happy thriving dog 24/7. I know some who stayed with a lamb based raw diet and personally I couldn't say if those dogs had a lesser performance. They performed good and looked great to me. I tend to stay away from ppl who claim to know the truth. Conviction and enthusiasm is all good :)

[xellil]

I say feed whatever the heck you want. But make a decision out of knowledge, not ignorance.

[meggels]

as a passionate believer in prey model raw feeding, i am not holier than thou.

i say that because i have fed kibble, i've home cooked for my dogs.

i've been where people who feed kibble are.

i am in a place where people who feed kibble are not. and until they are in the place i am standing, i don't think i should be considered holier than thou when i think i've found the holy grail of dog feeding.

it's hard not to be passionate. but it's an insult to be called holier than thou.

i won't apologise for the way i think and speak. and it's really a shame that people who don't see what i see.....it's truly a shame they don't climb the mountain. the view is awesome.

i truly believe i have the answer.....and the dog is living proof...

I never said YOU were holier than thou. I never said anyone specifically, so please do not take it personal.

I think sometimes people who feed raw get a little TOO passionate and scare away people or insult them because like someone else said, they are made to feel inferior.

I feed raw. To one dog that is. I feed kibble to another, so maybe it's easy for me to see both sides.

[DaViking]

To be completely honest with you, your above statement would be fine if only said "high quality kibble" would keep my Doxie from needing dentals on a consistent basis. 50-50 Acana + RMB's + daily brushing didn't work either. My original reason for feeding PMR was certainly not for anything as highbrow as "thriving", it was to avoid the dang dentals. Plain and simple.

And thats fine, that was you and your Doxie's situation. No problem with that. My answer is still fine.

[xellil]

I think sometimes people who feed raw get a little TOO passionate and scare away people or insult them because like someone else said, they are made to feel inferior.

I kind of agree with you. I've probably been guilty of it.

It's like a smoker who quits - they are the worst nags to people who still smoke. Because they have "seen the light" they think everyone should.

The thing that does bother me is when people say "I'm not feeding raw because it's messy (or I'll get salmonella, etc.)" - that tells me a decision was made without any real thought.

In the end, there aren't alot of places where people who feed raw gather together - this is one of them. It may just be the nature of the beast that to be here is to run into enthusiastic raw feeders.